TV Tropes Org

Forums

search forum titles
google site search
Total posts: [14]
1

What Kind Of Villain Is Best Suited For This?:

 1 KSPAM, Sat, 28th May '11 11:04:31 PM from Asylum Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Kishishishishi~
The story I'm writing focuses on a series of grisly murders in which groups of people, sometimes even buildings of them, are found maimed and torn apart. The killer is never caught by any security cameras and leaves absolutely no physical evidence, not even a murder weapon. From a forensics point of view, the crime scene is always completely clean.

So to help track down this invisible killer, they enlist the aid of an imprisoned teen genius and oracle, Matthew. Matthew is presented as a highly fatalistic person, choosing to believe that even if you stop one thing from going wrong, another will fail in its place. Throughout the story, Matthew is portrayed as knowing everything there is to know about the murders, but also as holding something back.

My question is, what kind of killer is best for this? I was thinking a cosmic horror sort of antagonist, but I don't know for sure what fits best here.
Team? You mean cannon fodder? — neobowman

Goodfae: a mafia web serial
I need a drink
Well you seemed to have given the protagonist a very clean precise view of the world. In his mind, so it seems, everything connects. Events can't be stopped. Everything seems planned. Why not create an antagonist who challenges this world view? A character who believes that everything is random, serves no inherent purpose and even admits that theres no real reason that he does what he does? Not only do you create an interesting foil for your character but you add a discussion which you can add your own views through minor characters.
Theres sex and death and human grime in monochrome for one thin dime and at least the trains all run on time but they dont go anywhere.
 3 honorius, Sun, 29th May '11 1:09:05 AM from The Netherlands
You mean the Joker?
If any question why we died/ Tell them, because our fathers lied -Rudyard Kipling
I need a drink
...ill be quiet
Theres sex and death and human grime in monochrome for one thin dime and at least the trains all run on time but they dont go anywhere.
The Joker? Hey, that wouldn't be a half-bad starting point.

What about a serious "Joker"?

That is, a character who believes in the chaos and randomness of life and chooses to share with the world, through serial killing. Like some sort of half-genius who understand the mathematics of Chaos Theory, but misunderstands the principles behind it. Perhaps this character wants to be a cosmic horror? And is attempting to bring the universe into a state chaotic enough to allow that to happen? Or maybe they claim to have been a cosmic horror, and perhaps they know more about the world, and how to effect it, than the heroes belive? Madman, or Only Sane Man?

Then, you've got to answer the question, what does this Matthew know about the killer that he isn't saying? A cosmic horror himself? Or something worse?

edited 29th May '11 2:05:47 AM by DudemanThingface

 6 honorius, Sun, 29th May '11 3:20:52 AM from The Netherlands
I don't think chaos theory means what you think it means.
If any question why we died/ Tell them, because our fathers lied -Rudyard Kipling
 7 Bobby G, Sun, 29th May '11 6:40:13 AM from the Silvery Tay
vigilantly taxonomish
Chaos theory = the study of the butterfly effect, yes?

Because a villain with a fascination with that could potentially be pretty interesting. You know, one who commits murders just to see how extreme the consequences are.
 8 honorius, Sun, 29th May '11 7:05:32 AM from The Netherlands
So he would kill someone in Europe and then a while later a hurricane hits America because this European was originally going on holiday to the Amazon for butterfly catching but because he's dead now he fails to catch the butterfly that would have caused the hurricane not to form?

It wouldn't really make sense.
If any question why we died/ Tell them, because our fathers lied -Rudyard Kipling
^ No, it's more like For Want of a Nail. He'll be fascinated by how randomly killing someone could ripple out and affect the people that person interacted with.
If I'm asking for advice on a story idea, don't tell me it can't be done.
I need a drink
But wouldnt that tie in with Matthew's own ideas?
Theres sex and death and human grime in monochrome for one thin dime and at least the trains all run on time but they dont go anywhere.
 11 Bobby G, Sun, 29th May '11 7:18:00 AM from the Silvery Tay
vigilantly taxonomish
Not necessarily. If I'm reading the OP right, Matthew's conception of fate appears to be linear and objective, something which humans can't influence. If you prevent a murder, it doesn't matter, because somebody else will be murdered anyway.

Whereas a For Want of a Nail-obsessed villain would believe that humans (or whatever species the villain is) could have a powerful influence over the future, and just the slightest change has massive consequences.
The thing is, unless you can look into alternate universes or the society is based around prophecies or something, there is no way of knowing that you circumvented what was "intended by fate." Every attempt to change things could be, in itself, fated to occur.
 
 13 Bobby G, Sun, 29th May '11 7:33:15 AM from the Silvery Tay
vigilantly taxonomish
Only if the villain believed in fate from the start. Otherwise it's just action —> consequences.
 14 KSPAM, Sun, 29th May '11 9:18:41 AM from Asylum Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Kishishishishi~
Hmmm. All good ideas. I especially like the butterfly effect one. A villain with the mind and means to commit atrocities just to see what would happen. In turn, this madman's constant state of flux would make predicting the future more difficult for Matthew, since he can see all possible outcomes but has to guess which one they'll take.
Team? You mean cannon fodder? — neobowman

Goodfae: a mafia web serial
The system doesn't know you right now, so no post button for you.
You need to Get Known to get one of those.
Total posts: 14
1


TV Tropes by TV Tropes Foundation, LLC is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License.
Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from thestaff@tvtropes.org.
Privacy Policy