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Does everyone fit the term bigot?:

 1 Usht, Wed, 25th May '11 1:22:22 PM from an arbitrary view point.
Lv. 3 Genasi Wizard
big·ot·ed

adjective /ˈbigətid/ 

1. Convinced of the superiority or correctness of one's own opinions and prejudiced against those who hold different opinions


For all you semantics and technicality lovers:

Okay, so the original definition of this word was "To be a religious hypocrite" and first appeared in England around the same time Measure for Measure was written. Thanks to the hilarity of politics, it's gotten a much wider meaning over time, as seen above.

And it's also a favorite word of the OTC, but here's the question, has the word been used so much as to lose all meaning? It's basically means to say "This person is incredibly stubborn and unjustified in his or her position as to not accept views remotely different from his or her own".

Here's the catch, no one ever thinks "I'm wrong", even when doing something wrong. It's usually justified in some sort of manner, down to stealing the cookie out of the jar. So let's say you're liberal, open minded person. Do you feel even a slight bit of disdain or negative disposition for those who are closed minded about something, anything? Congrats, you're a bigot because you consider your open mindedness superior to their close mindedness and are prejudice for considering that view to be of less value.

In essence, calling someone a bigot means that you too are a bigot. That makes me a bigot. By extension, calling someone close minded is being close minded yourself. That similarly makes me close minded.

Thoughts?

edited 25th May '11 1:23:49 PM by Usht

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 2 Aondeug, Wed, 25th May '11 1:26:39 PM from  Our Dreams
Oh My
Oh I am certainly bigoted and accept this. My opinions on antitheism are incredibly negative and I refuse to budge on them. I feel the same about those who are very strongly theistic and convinced everyone must be.

No. Multiple paths for multiple people. MY VIEWS ARE BETTER. NOW GO DIE.

Of course that leads to the problem of those also being paths which is a problem since they are to be valid. And so I let them exist even when I wish they would all just drop dead or change their minds.

edited 25th May '11 1:29:03 PM by Aondeug

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 3 Usht, Wed, 25th May '11 1:54:03 PM from an arbitrary view point.
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So... you're bigoted but also accept these alternate views?

Damn Buddhism's contradictory nature for overriding my point.

edited 25th May '11 1:55:34 PM by Usht

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It's inherent by definition in a belief that it is held as true in the person's mind. If you didn't think you were correct about X, you wouldn't believe it.

edited 25th May '11 1:58:40 PM by LeighSabio

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 5 Aondeug, Wed, 25th May '11 1:58:47 PM from  Our Dreams
Oh My
Yes. We are just that cool. Or is stupid the better word? Either way. We are that. Totally.

AND YOU USHT? ARE YOU A DIRTY BIGOT?
If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
Bigotgate.

Serious note? If everyone is a bigot, bigot is a meaningless term, is it not?
 
 7 Usht, Wed, 25th May '11 2:02:47 PM from an arbitrary view point.
Lv. 3 Genasi Wizard
In essence, calling someone a bigot means that you too are a bigot. That makes me a bigot. By extension, calling someone close minded is being close minded yourself. That similarly makes me close minded.

I am very much a bigot. I think everyone should be more open minded.

[up]Exactly.

edited 25th May '11 2:03:02 PM by Usht

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 8 Enkufka, Wed, 25th May '11 2:08:56 PM from Bay of White fish
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I try to be open minded, but I can't help but be bigoted to those who wilfully ignore evidence presented by experts who are with a bare minimum of bias, IE the Congressional Budget Office. I am also bigoted to republican politicians, as I have only ever heard of two contemporary GOP members who have managed to do some work without cutting services in exchange for corporate/military interests:

The governor of New Mexico, who balanced his state's budget without having to lay people off or cut social services

the one representative in wisconsin who voted against the union busting legislation

I am bigoted against the GOP because lately, in my state, they've been outright avoiding or ignoring the majority of their constituents (Alberta Darling, Randy Hopper), they are participating in widespread election fraud (Kathy Nikolaus, David Prosser), they're passing unconstitutional or just plain idiotic legislation (Voter Id bill which is in another topic, repealing early release legislation which was saving millions and letting only non-violent offenders go, repealing laws which limited Pay-day loans which are well known for causing usury, and enacting concealed carry laws which don't require a permit [ok...] or training [WTF?!]), and they're trying to increase the use of public funds for Voucher schools, especially voucher schools which teach fundamentalist protestantism and far-right conservatism (Grothman). On that last point, I am all for schools which teach about religion, but I am not for public funds of those schools, as it smacks of violation of the establishment clause.

I have yet to see verified evidence which shows how GOP policies work, and shows that they actually do assist.

side note: I am a Liberal, I was a left leaning moderate before the GOP just went to crap. I found it incredibly difficult to take the moderate side.

further side note: I'm also a hypocrite.

edited 25th May '11 2:09:52 PM by Enkufka

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 9 Madrugada, Wed, 25th May '11 2:18:51 PM Relationship Status: In season
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1. Convinced of the superiority or correctness of one's own opinions and prejudiced against those who hold different opinions

That's only one definition, and even by that one, no, not everyone is a bigot, since it requires both being convinced that you are right and being prejudiced against those who hold a different opinion. But there are other definitions that you didn't quote that make it clearer why everyone is not a bigot:

Try this one, from Merriam Webster:
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

Here's the one from The American Heritage Dictionary:
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

Collins:
a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race

Random House:
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

Encarta:
intolerant person: somebody with strong opinions, especially on politics, religion, or ethnicity, who refuses to accept different views.

Webster's Revised (1913):
A person who regards his own faith and views in matters of religion as unquestionably right, and any belief or opinion opposed to or differing from them as unreasonable or wicked. In an extended sense, a person who is intolerant of opinions which conflict with his own, as in politics or morals; one obstinately and blindly devoted to his own church, party, belief, or opinion.

Notice what they all have in common? "Intolerant of any one who thinks or believes differently." Not just "Thinks they're right".

edited 25th May '11 2:52:34 PM by Madrugada

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Some of us are humble about are beliefs, and willing to consider other's views without prejudice.

And even bigots are not always bigoted about everything.

 
 11 Usht, Wed, 25th May '11 3:10:49 PM from an arbitrary view point.
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Thanks Madrugada, I was actually hoping someone would point that out, though I was hoping to get more discuss out of the deal before that happened.

But then the follow up on that is whether or not everyone is bigoted on at least one particular subject. Not necessarily the Single-Issue Wonk, but think of certain cultural or familiar values that ingrained in each of us. Or opinions you might have about a particular subject, there's going to eventually be something that you have a strong opinion on.

So here's the second question: Does a two party election system (or even having a two pole problem) have a tendency to make people become bigoted on at least a few subjects? Thanks to things often times being cut down the middle as Republican and Democratic (conservative or liberal), does that result in people only seeing two choices and becoming rather allergic to the other side resulting in a lot of the strawmen you see everyday? Is calling someone a bigot a symptom of being partially one yourself in such a system? Does this system facilitate bigotry anymore than any other system?

edited 25th May '11 3:11:41 PM by Usht

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 12 Caissas Death Angel, Wed, 25th May '11 3:24:59 PM from Dumfries, SW Scotland Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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I wholeheartedly support everyone's right to think and believe whatever they want. This extends to racism, this extends to paedophilia, this extends to everything.

But I am nonetheless deeply intolerant of intolerance, and if someone admits to being, say, homophobic in conversation I will make entirely clear that I consider their views disgusting and suggestive of being disgusting of character, and, if religion is the justification, insist that they are betraying it on the grounds that "love thy neighbour" has no exceptions.

Does this change the fact that they have a right to their views? No, not in the slightest. Does it make me a bigot? I don't know. Maybe?
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 13 feotakahari, Wed, 25th May '11 4:10:12 PM from Looking out at the city
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^ I would say yes, at least in comparison to those of us who're tolerant of intolerant people.
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 14 Caissas Death Angel, Wed, 25th May '11 4:39:19 PM from Dumfries, SW Scotland Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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I'm tolerant of intolerant people - but not intolerance itself. Intolerance cannot be allowed to exist. I bear no ill-will against people who hold such beliefs as long as they do not manifest. The problem being, when they do it's a serious issue.
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 15 Bobby G, Wed, 25th May '11 4:47:23 PM from the Silvery Tay
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Serious note? If everyone is a bigot, bigot is a meaningless term, is it not?

Does a two party election system (or even having a two pole problem) have a tendency to make people become bigoted on at least a few subjects? Thanks to things often times being cut down the middle as Republican and Democratic (conservative or liberal), does that result in people only seeing two choices and becoming rather allergic to the other side resulting in a lot of the strawmen you see everyday?

I don't think this is necessarily the case, but I think it probably makes it easier to be a bigot because it creates an adversarial "other" which is easier to hate than people who don't identify themselves by the beliefs that they hold.

I think in terms of how the term is actually used, a "bigot" specifically denotes one who is intolerant only of certain types of people (Jews, homosexuals, feminists, etc.); I think it's rare for people to use it in a way that includes intolerance of people they regard as morally reprehensible, though of course, who those morally reprehensible people are is also dependent on the speaker.
I hold certain beliefs strongly, and consider these beliefs correct.

But I'm not contemptuous towards people with different beliefs. I think they're wrong, of course, but I think their beliefs make sense to them, that they (in most cases) want to be good people, and that many of them are just as smart as I am or smarter.

After all, my beliefs have changed over time. And I don't view past!me with contempt.

So I don't think I meet the criteria for a bigot.
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 17 De Marquis, Wed, 25th May '11 6:01:01 PM from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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There is a phenomenon called Group Polarization in which discussion of a topic among like-minded people tends to make their initial inclination more extreme over time. Basically because people take agreement by others as validation of their beliefs and end up feeling more strongly about it, and because group discussion among like-minded people will only expose you to arguments in favor of the group's initial inclination. This tendency can encourage people to become more bigoted toward others who do not share their groups' opinion on the topic.
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[up][up] That's a good point. A lot of people are bigoted towards their past selves, if that makes sense.
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Don't we have a saying for that? "It takes one to know one"?

 20 Trotzky, Thu, 26th May '11 6:22:56 AM from 3 km North of Torchwood
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It explains why so many people in the Bible were racist, misogynist sectarians.

Abraham bigot Isaac; Isaac bigot Jacob; Jacob bigot Judah etc.

edited 27th May '11 12:21:04 AM by Trotzky

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 21 Caissas Death Angel, Thu, 26th May '11 10:12:18 AM from Dumfries, SW Scotland Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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That's a good point. A lot of people are bigoted towards their past selves, if that makes sense.

This is a huge part of the reason behind my opinions. I used to be a very right wing person ("Facist" was my nickname, though I was never thatbad). However, I eventually saw the light and completely abandoned my oppressive, intolerant attitudes.

I'm entirely ashamed of my past views, which were unacceptable. amd rightly so.
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 22 captainbrass 2, Thu, 26th May '11 11:48:31 AM from the United Kingdom
[up]That's...a bit of an unfortunate nickname. Although I've known a few people who ought to be known as "Mr/Ms Fascist".

On the general point, I'm probably more tolerant of people with different beliefs than I am of people who behave in ways I find annoying. I can cope with atheists/Tories/fascists/whatever, but if you really want to witness my intolerance, just sit near me on a train and have a loud conversation or play loud music on your I Pod.
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 23 Kexruct, Thu, 26th May '11 11:57:44 AM from Vvardenfell
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I'm semi-bigoted. I find it hard not to get irritated by the hypocricy of certain Republican politicians, and that makes me dislike some reasonable Republicans by association.
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 24 Caissas Death Angel, Thu, 26th May '11 12:05:48 PM from Dumfries, SW Scotland Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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[up][up] I'm one of those people who has had many, many nicknames. Some of them completely random and not all of them pleasant. How exactly "Fred" lasted for 8 years I have no idea (my brother's friends decided I looked like I might be called Fred before they knew my real name; it stuck, and "radiator head" lasted longer than I thought it would), and it was inevitable really that one of them would half-subsume my real name (I prefer Addy to Adam these days).

Ultimately, as with intolerant beliefs themselves, it's the manifestation of rather than status as a bigot that determines its relevance. The reason paedophilia is not in itself wrong while acting on it is shows the difference there. Someone who is sexually attracted to children but never once actually watches footage or views pictures of it happening, far less actually does it themselves, sticking entirely to images inside their own head is hurting no one. Obviously, such cases are rare, but I don't doubt for a second they exist. Same for every other dangerous belief set or attitude, and thus for bigotry itself.
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Stupid semantics. Anyway, everyone who has some kind of worldview also thinks that his worldview is correct and thus superior - how else would you define 'having a worldview'. Being prejudiced against those who disagree with you is a whole different thing though. Obviously, you think they are wrong but you don't have to dislike them as people because of that. Obviously, there will always be some people you'll dislike because of their worldviews (nazis are the most obvious example) and yes, you're technically bigoted against them. The term 'bigot' applies to more extreme form of those, something along the lines 'I believe in this, I vote for that and if you don't. I hate you'
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