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Study links child abuse by priests to 60's counterculture:

 1 Fish 1, Wed, 25th May '11 8:17:58 AM from Lovecraft Country
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http://www.kansascity.com/2011/05/24/2898726/report-indicts-60s-counterculture.html

Reminds me of when Falwell blamed 9/11 on the same people.
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 2 Hungry Joe, Wed, 25th May '11 8:23:33 AM from Under the Tree
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Sounds more like a biased set of research than any official denounciation. Don't conflate the Church and an agency that likes to tell them what they think they want to hear.
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 3 Madrugada, Wed, 25th May '11 8:32:26 AM Relationship Status: In season
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I changed the thread title to be less inflammatory and more accurate.

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'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
So what about sex abuse cases from the 1950s?

 
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 6 Hungry Joe, Wed, 25th May '11 2:06:58 PM from Under the Tree
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The '40's? Nazi sympathies.
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 7 Michael, Wed, 25th May '11 2:44:28 PM Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
So that's what this does
To put it another way, the counterculture they refer to involved questioning what you were taught, making your own mind up whether to obey authority, and therefore deciding for yourself whether to report the fact that a priest raped you.

Yup, there'll be your correlation.
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 9 Madrugada, Wed, 25th May '11 2:51:43 PM Relationship Status: In season
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To put it another way, the counterculture they refer to involved questioning what you were taught, making your own mind up whether to obey authority, and therefore deciding for yourself whether to report the fact that a priest raped you.

Did you read the article? That's not what they were saying.
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 10 Michael, Wed, 25th May '11 2:56:19 PM Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
So that's what this does
It's not the conclusion they draw, but it's an equally valid conclusion. Not a spike in committing the offence, just a spike in people not blaming themselves.
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 11 Trotzky, Wed, 25th May '11 4:29:24 PM from 3 km North of Torchwood
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"The study, undertaken by John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the request of America's Catholic bishops, "

The bishops hire an advertising agency to say what they want to hear. What a surprise. It's the victims' fault just like Stein says about the IMF banker.

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 12 feotakahari, Wed, 25th May '11 4:33:37 PM from Looking out at the city
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Let's use a less biased source.

Fun facts: most priests who engaged in sexual abuse weren't clinical pedophiles. Homosexuality was not a cause of abuse, and abuse actually reduced when more homosexuals became priests. Foreign seminaries weren't a cause of abuse. Celibacy didn't seem to be a cause either.

edited 25th May '11 4:35:59 PM by feotakahari

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 13 Madrugada, Wed, 25th May '11 4:35:50 PM Relationship Status: In season
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I didn't realize that a college was an advertising agency. Silly me. And apparently, you didn't read the whole article either, because you seem to have missed this part:

The report has generated criticism from Catholic conservatives, who object to its denial of a relationship between abuse and homosexuality, and victims' advocates, who fault it for insufficiently emphasizing the complicity of bishops in covering up priestly abuse, and for its conclusion that abuse is essentially a thing of the past. Liberal Catholics will be discomfited by the finding that there is no link between celibacy and abuse.

If the group that commissioned the study was trying for something that said "what they wanted to hear", the people who did the study seem to have done an amazingly bad job of delivering it. Nobody got only what they wanted to hear.

edited 25th May '11 4:39:10 PM by Madrugada

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 15 Morven, Wed, 25th May '11 5:17:26 PM from Seattle, WA, USA
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I do think that by defining clinical "pedophilia" as involving children ten or younger, rather than the somewhat older guidelines that appear common, they are trying a little too hard to define the problem away. That's only one aspect of the report, though.
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 16 Hungry Joe, Wed, 25th May '11 5:40:35 PM from Under the Tree
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From the sounds of it nobody is happy with the results or conclusions of the study.

edited 25th May '11 5:40:48 PM by HungryJoe

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That's literally blaming the entire planet and all of human culture and history leading up to the 1960's for the actions of a couple of people.

Seriously.

Child abuse is commonplace and has been for ever.

 18 Hungry Joe, Wed, 25th May '11 5:53:01 PM from Under the Tree
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Well, once upon a time the Church would occasionally wink at priests with affairs with women. Than they cracked down on that.

Heck, up until the Counter Reformation a lot of the hirearchy didn't care much if a priest had children so long as they were illegitimate.

The main reason is more political than theological, since a son with a right to his father's possessions (which could imply his parish) would be a major contender for power in a fiefdom or principality.
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While 60s counterculture was actually pretty fucked (unlike the popular idea of it), it has nothing to do with peodphiliac priests. The whole thing makes as much sense to me as 'Jews did the WTC' or 'Obama is a shapeshifting reptilian' - no sense that is
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So basically, it's from a Conservative perspective liking the "liberalization" of America to it's feministic-homosexual moral decay? And how, that it's seeped into the church, maybe?

Also, if there is less abuse now, but more often reported abuse... wait I have no idea what's being gotten at. But wouldn't that be due to technology? Moral outrage over child molesting isn't exactly a new liberal thing. What exactly am I reading? What is this? I must be sleepy.
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I think the argument is that there's been a sort of generalized moral decay of society that makes sexual abuse more common. It's an implausible argument, of course.
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 22 Madrugada, Thu, 26th May '11 9:22:41 PM Relationship Status: In season
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Unless you were around for the massive change in attitudes that came along with the 60's counterculture, don't be too quick to dismiss it it as "implausible". And the change was massive.
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Well yes, there was a massive change in attitudes of the counterculture movement of the 60s. Many people became less racist, sexist, classist, and less religiously bigoted. And a significant leap in Civil Rights occurred. Of course, we didn't all become Vegan pro-LGBT Hinduist marijuana legalizing Anarcho-Communist hippies. But there was certainly some cultural changes spawned from it and moderately accomplished change. As much as many people on the Left have been underwhelmed by the change.

That doesn't mean people would be more laxed about child molestation.
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 24 Madrugada, Thu, 26th May '11 9:36:18 PM Relationship Status: In season
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And considerably more sexually open. Even teenagers. Still not children, but "Too young" moved back several years, from 17 or 18 maybe, to 16 or even 15. And That's the important one.

edited 26th May '11 9:38:32 PM by Madrugada

'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
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Not towards pedophiles.
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