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Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:53:59 PM
There's a huuuuge difference between BDSM and Conversion Therapy that I want to point out.
BDSM relies entirely on one saying. Safe, Sane, and Consensual. If you don't have all three, its abuse. Conversion therapy, even if consensual, is not safe or sane. Therefore, it is abuse, and should be illegal.
Is that the gay Fifty Shades of Grey?
Fifty Shades of Gay Also lame. Lesbians get their own flag, but thebians are stuck with the generic rainbow.
My name's Ben.
The flag might be dumb, but you've still got Alexander the Great.
Great men are almost never good men, they say. One wonders what philosopher of the good would value the impotence of his disciples.
The would-be novelist
It's a bird.
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That's debatable. Certain things that don't fulfill all three criteria are perfectly legal. I'd also argue that there are things that do fulfill them that aren't, but that might be a debate for another time.
Came across this just now in my Reuters app, though it might be of interest: the Department of Justice is telling NC's governor the recent laws are illegal and giving him until Monday to address concerns.
"North Carolina transgender law violates civil rights law: U.S." - http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0XV2N8
edited 4th May '16 2:35:12 PM by sgamer82
And that is another reason why the White House matters in LGBT rights issues. (The first reason is that a lot of LGBT rights are entrenched by Supreme Court rulings and the WH gets to propose new Supreme Court judges)
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I believe all gay and lesbian individuals should have the same rights as everyone else . . .
Mikon :3
I thought they'd put up more of a fight, to be honest.
Unfortunately, there are some cisgender heterosexual people who think everyone already has the right to be like them, and that's exactly what everyone should be.
edited 4th May '16 3:36:08 PM by Morgikit
The Potato's Choice
Like I said, it's Gadfly legislation. It was token (and horrible) resistance on the fact LGBT is being taken off the table as an issue for the political mainstream. The culture wars on LGBT in America, are mostly over, especially since Obama's administration is basically now trying to use the Civil Rights Act and similar legislation from the same period to extend to the rights of sexual minorities (Homosexuals, Transgenders, Bisexuals, etc.)
I know the bigotry remains but there's going to be a lot of framework protecting LGBT as Obama steps out, and even Trump isn't touching the bathroom issue, and basically treats it as stupid, indicating he realizes it's a loser issue. (Which is sort of a cold comfort in hell, but. Eh.)
edited 4th May '16 4:10:35 PM by PotatoesRock
Many were increasingly of the opinion that they'd all made a big mistake in coming down from the trees in the first place. - Douglas Adams
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okay, what the hell is a cisgender? I see it thrown around a lot, often as an insult, and I have no bloody idea what it means!
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In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good.
The opposite of trans. Someone who identifies with the gender they were assigned at birth.
It's from latin. Cis means "on this side" and trans means "on the other side". Like in Cis–trans isomerism or Cisleithania and Transleithania.
edited 4th May '16 6:05:40 PM by Antiteilchen
I've never seen it used as an insult, but its just the official term for someone who isn't trans. Like how straight is to gay or bi.
Field Marshal of Cracked
never heard it used before... must be new, I've had it yelled at me when I express contrary opinions, mostly as an attempt to use a buzzword to shut down my argument
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It originated roughly 25 years ago in an essay by Volkmar Sigusch.
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It's possible you heard it as the phrase "cishet scum", maybe? That's often heard around Tumblr and similar sites. Basically, it's just a buzzword to say "if you're not transgender, you're scum". It's really the scum part that's insulting. This is an issue with a lot of extremes.
...It's weird having so many websites and no way to properly display now, lol.
My name's Ben.
I hope I'm not being too provocative if I suggest that straight cisgender is roughly synonymous with "makes babies." Hence its traditional position as the preferred orientation. Though in the age of birth control, this no longer really holds.
edited 4th May '16 6:53:00 PM by garridob
Great men are almost never good men, they say. One wonders what philosopher of the good would value the impotence of his disciples.
Field Marshal of Cracked
German sexology papers are not really my area of expertise... but I had seriously never heard the term until a few months ago, never seen it brought up in political debate in the Commons or anywhere, never seen it used on telly, ever. And it was a "well what do you know! you're a cisgenger middle class male!" as if that means I'm not allowed an opinion...
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Some lgbt couples can make their own kids actually. If one partner is trans and the other is cis, but they're gay (ex: a cis man and a trans man, or a trans woman and cis woman). Or if both parents are straight and trans (one trans man, one trans woman), they can have biological kids.
Well, to be fair, a cisgender person wouldn't be able to know/understand certain issues trans people face. Cis people aren't discriminated against in the same way, for example.
edited 4th May '16 6:55:53 PM by smokeycut
My name's Ben.
It's my studied opinion that groups identifying themselves as righteous martyrs, and it sounds like that's what you ran up against, are really not worth talking to. The goals of such groups are not reform or improving the world, more wallowing in cesspools of victimization.
People who actually do want to discuss transgender/whatever issues with an eye towards better understanding are a different matter, obviously.
edited 4th May '16 7:02:01 PM by garridob
Great men are almost never good men, they say. One wonders what philosopher of the good would value the impotence of his disciples.
Yeah-no: if you're cis, but have, say a gay brother only about 18 months younger or older than you... you've got a rather good chance of grokking, actually.
It's why generalisations like that rub me up the wrong way. Also, I get "cis" screamed at me, sometimes. Inaccurately, but... a fair few idiots discount asexual as being LBTG enough to understand.
Might not be gender queer, but I'm queer enough to have an idea. As are a lot of people with neurological quirks that technically don't have anything to do with sexuality or gender.
Cishet: includes more weirdness than you think. 
edited 4th May '16 7:09:12 PM by Euodiachloris
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here's some context... it was my little sister, a straight, white, middle class female, she didn't want to walk home from a party at night as she was worried she would be raped and wanted a lift, I wanted to drink that night and so pointed out how stupid that was (middle of Surrey, well lit main road, MIDDLE OF SURREY!) she ranted on about "x high % of teenage girls are sexually assaulted" I asked for more clarification (since that is a very general term) once again pointed how stupid she was being, she called me what I previously said and stormed off, and yes, she goes on tumblr a lot
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If she can't drive... or you don't trust her behind the wheel because younger sibling of stupid, you should have just sucked it up yourself, mate. :/
It's what big siblings do. Says a big sister.
edited 4th May '16 7:13:18 PM by Euodiachloris
Being told what a trans person goes through isn't the same as actually living it every day of your life. Yes you can develop an understanding of it, but a cis person doesn't experience that same feeling of dysphoria, nor do they have to fear being assaulted or mutilated or denied work or housing for being trans. Just like how I'll never know what it's like to experience racism, even if I can understand what is racist.
And Fry, that's just... weird. The majority of people who use the term cisgender just use it in a normal manner. Not as an insult, but as a term for people who aren't trans.
Fifty Shades of Rainbow. How's that for a page topper.
edited 29th Apr '16 8:50:11 AM by flameboy21th
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