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LGBT Rights and America:

Discussion of religion in the context of LGBT rights is only allowed in the LGBT Rights and Religion Thread.

Discussion of religion in any other context is off topic in all of the "LGBT rights..." threads.

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edited 4th Oct '13 8:24:48 AM by Madrugada

 7726 Troll Post, Fri, 1st Feb '13 10:37:24 AM from troll post crusher

 7727 Wildcard, Fri, 1st Feb '13 10:38:52 AM from Somewhere in the galaxy
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Jhim does not seem to know that though. I didn't consider it either until it was brought up.
Whatever tomorrow brings I'll be there. With open arms and open eyes.
 7728 Matues, Fri, 1st Feb '13 10:39:45 AM Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
I have no idea what you're talking about.....
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The rain in Spain tend to drain the brain of sane.
 7729 Troll Post, Fri, 1st Feb '13 10:40:00 AM from troll post crusher

 7730 Wildcard, Fri, 1st Feb '13 10:42:24 AM from Somewhere in the galaxy
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Same idea with Girl on Girl Is Hot.
Whatever tomorrow brings I'll be there. With open arms and open eyes.
 7731 Matues, Fri, 1st Feb '13 10:42:32 AM Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
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That's what they are talking about.

Straight Guys have a tendency to think Gay Guys are automatically going to want to date them.

edited 1st Feb '13 10:42:38 AM by Matues

The rain in Spain tend to drain the brain of sane.
 7732 Troll Post, Fri, 1st Feb '13 10:45:39 AM from troll post crusher

 7733 Matues, Fri, 1st Feb '13 10:49:35 AM Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
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We live in very different places.

Where I live, this is a big complaint about Gay people from straight guys.

I've know one guy who moved out of a dorm room because he heard a rumor that his roomie might be gay.

Oh, and it's the Straight Guys who are assuming that they are somehow so sexy that it drives teh sinful gheys wild.

edited 1st Feb '13 10:50:18 AM by Matues

The rain in Spain tend to drain the brain of sane.
 7734 Lascoden, Fri, 1st Feb '13 10:50:59 AM from Missouri, USA
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[up][up]A big part of it is due to the All Gays are Promiscuous stereotype, something many people still believe.
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 7735 Gabrael, Fri, 1st Feb '13 10:52:34 AM from My musings Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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Considering most of those in my personal experience who think "De Gays are comm'n for me!" are military or sports fans/players, (sometimes both), I think Sports Illustrated's move is brilliant.

I find it very amusing it's the "manly" men espouse such nonsense, especially since both the military and locker rooms of almost any sport are centers for some of the most explicit displays and encouragement of homoerotic behavior and humor.

edited 1st Feb '13 10:55:01 AM by Gabrael

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 7736 Morgikit, Fri, 1st Feb '13 10:58:10 AM from Lavender Town Relationship Status: In season
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[up]I do remember it being mostly the jocks in high school who called me a faggot. Then there's that slapping each other on the rear end thing they did on the field. Hmm...

edited 1st Feb '13 10:59:10 AM by Morgikit

 7737 Radical Taoist, Fri, 1st Feb '13 11:00:25 AM from the #GUniverse
scratching at .8, just hopin'
Sorry, RT, but a dueling-myths presumption is a kind of "have you stopped beating your wife" ground argument that I don't feel bound to dignify. No, the world probably isn't fair. Someone should alert the press about that.
This kinda indicates that you didn't look at what he meant by "myth" and "fair", but I suppose coming at you with insistence on a set of definitions is not the approach to take. Seriously though, I haven't seen any possible consequences of preserving the oh-so-holy definition of marriage that justify, y'know, denying Polar and her partner their benefits or letting gay men die alone while their partner waits outside in agony. Can you list these consequences?
 7738 Wildcard, Fri, 1st Feb '13 11:12:08 AM from Somewhere in the galaxy
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Unfortunatly I may have found a logical flaw in our arguments.

We already have a government that can read the constitution and still believe that extrajudicial killings, unwarranted wiretaps, wars of aggression, and indefinite detentions are just fine

Note: I'm not saying I agree with this argument I'm saying this argument can be challenged and we should find an answer.

If our government is interpreting the Constitution wrong and continues to do it shouldn't we seek to correct that and prevent it from happening again? Such as tell the government to stop with the wiretap and stop them from changing laws?
Whatever tomorrow brings I'll be there. With open arms and open eyes.
 7739 Vericrat, Fri, 1st Feb '13 11:19:47 AM from .0000001 seconds ago
Like this, but brown.
I do remember it being mostly the jocks in high school who called me a faggot. Then there's that slapping each other on the rear end thing they did on the field. Hmm...

It's not gay if you say "good game."

Jhimm, I'm with everyone else. You haven't listed an actual consequence, just a fear that there will be consequences. We've previously changed the definition of "person" (one white man or 1.666666 black men). Guess what? The world is still just fine.

If you want to see the consequences of changing the definition, just look at the States and countries that have done so. What bad things have happened there?
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 7740 Hilarity Ensues, Fri, 1st Feb '13 11:35:44 AM from Standing between Sho'Nuff and total supremacy.
I would kind of hope anyone who's fairly politically informed knows something about that, at least.

All of those things are done in the name of counter-terrorism, by the way. It makes far more sense that people get away with bending the law when they're protecting our freedom and stopping some scary guys in the middle east.

If our government is interpreting the Constitution wrong and continues to do it shouldn't we seek to correct that and prevent it from happening again? Such as tell the government to stop with the wiretap and stop them from changing laws?

Absolutely. It would certainly be ideal if they stopped doing those things. My point is that they have shown conclusively that when they want to blatantly ignore/redefine the law, they'll just do it. Gay marriage isn't even part of the equation here.

edited 1st Feb '13 1:56:34 PM by HilarityEnsues

 7741 Achaemenid, Fri, 1st Feb '13 11:35:53 AM from Mitakihara Town, Copenhagen Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
 7742 Lascoden, Fri, 1st Feb '13 11:45:47 AM from Missouri, USA
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[up]Not to mention the Moose Hordes that roam Canada. *
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 7743 Hilarity Ensues, Fri, 1st Feb '13 11:50:17 AM from Standing between Sho'Nuff and total supremacy.
Our economy is still trying to recover from the effects of popping the Gay Marriage Bubble.

 7744 Radical Taoist, Fri, 1st Feb '13 12:01:57 PM from the #GUniverse
scratching at .8, just hopin'
Again: WHY is the government ignoring the Constitution and existing written laws? Is it because they're being lackadaisical with definitions in the light of popular pressures, as gay marriage advocates are proposing? Or is it because they have power and they intend to exercise and maintain it at any cost, fuck what anyone thinks?
 7745 Lawyerdude, Fri, 1st Feb '13 12:23:57 PM from my secret moon base
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Which government is ignoring the Constitution and laws on the gay marriage issue?

edited 1st Feb '13 12:24:07 PM by Lawyerdude

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I want Kat's glasses!
@Matues: Be careful. The Ark is not a rectangular barge, but if we assume it to be half the volume of one, that's a little less than 20, 000m^3 of cargo. Then there are not all that many "non-small" animal species, so there's a slight chance. Even without grinding and freeze-drying them.

Or course, they'd all die within the first week because there's no way it includes 40 days of food for everyone.tongue Assuming the Ark doesn't sink first, filled to the brim with bodies that are 70% water and 30% heavier stuff.

PS: Elfive, I loved your remark about people blowing each other up.

edited 1st Feb '13 12:29:00 PM by Medinoc

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 7747 Hilarity Ensues, Fri, 1st Feb '13 1:57:55 PM from Standing between Sho'Nuff and total supremacy.
[up][up][up]The latter. None of the issues I mentioned are even remotely popular.

 7748 shimaspawn, Fri, 1st Feb '13 2:52:42 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
There is evidence that the ark thing may have actually happened, just... not on the scale that the Bible thinks and not to Noah. And that it's plagiarism from a previous story. The Epic of Gilgamesh has the same flood narrative, only written millennia earlier. And there is evidence that the Tigris river flooded the "known world" at that point wiping out most of Mesopotamia. But like most things in the Bible it's stolen mythology from older cultures.

edited 1st Feb '13 2:53:00 PM by shimaspawn

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 7749 Troll Post, Fri, 1st Feb '13 3:22:40 PM from troll post crusher

 7750 Lascoden, Fri, 1st Feb '13 3:31:23 PM from Missouri, USA
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