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King Of Fighters general:

 1 Omega Kross, Mon, 23rd May '11 4:49:03 PM from Nosgoth Relationship Status: Mu
Vae Victus
Right, done.

So, as I was saying...

So every appearance he's made since 95 is non-canon? This has to be the first instance I've heard of a fighting game actually killing their primary antagonist for real.
 2 Mr Pastry, Mon, 23rd May '11 4:50:57 PM from Japanifornia
To Object or Not Object?
Who?

Oh, Rugal. Well, I don't think they've ever said Rugal was their primary antagonist, only that he was their favorite.

edited 23rd May '11 4:53:24 PM by MrPastry

It's more frustrating waiting for the asskicking than the asskicking itself.
 3 Omega Kross, Mon, 23rd May '11 4:53:21 PM from Nosgoth Relationship Status: Mu
Vae Victus
Oh, yeah, I never explained the context did I?

X 2 X and I decided to start a KOF thread, to prevent us hijacking the MK 9 thread. We were on about Rugal's habit of getting blown the fuck up all the time.
 4 X 2 X, Mon, 23rd May '11 4:53:55 PM from the Darkness Beyond Time Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
[insert quip here]
Rugal was the Starter Villain, but he became a favorite of both the fans and developers for being the Trope Codifier for SNK Boss, so he's always the final boss of the dream match titles. But yeah, he canonically died in '95.

Argh... it's The King of Fighters not King of Fighters (KOF is fine though).

(sigh) Oh well.

edited 23rd May '11 4:54:32 PM by X2X

A poem by Kenshiro: Roses are red / Violets are blue / Omae wa mo / Shindeiru.
 5 Mr Pastry, Mon, 23rd May '11 4:54:02 PM from Japanifornia
To Object or Not Object?
Oh yes, he is a very poor sport, isn't he?
It's more frustrating waiting for the asskicking than the asskicking itself.
 6 Omega Kross, Mon, 23rd May '11 4:56:23 PM from Nosgoth Relationship Status: Mu
Vae Victus
You'd think if he was so popular they'd have given him some Orochi-Ressurection handwave for coming back or something. I mean, they bought Krizalid back after 99.
 7 Mr Pastry, Mon, 23rd May '11 4:57:53 PM from Japanifornia
To Object or Not Object?
That's because it was NESTS, and those guys are so clone-happy that they cloned a clone of a clone.

edited 23rd May '11 4:58:24 PM by MrPastry

It's more frustrating waiting for the asskicking than the asskicking itself.
 8 X 2 X, Mon, 23rd May '11 4:58:07 PM from the Darkness Beyond Time Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
[insert quip here]
[up][up] Clone. Not the original Krizalid.

Besides, he's already succeeded canonically by Adel and Rose.

edited 23rd May '11 4:58:19 PM by X2X

A poem by Kenshiro: Roses are red / Violets are blue / Omae wa mo / Shindeiru.
 9 Omega Kross, Mon, 23rd May '11 5:00:45 PM from Nosgoth Relationship Status: Mu
Vae Victus
LOL, wait, thats not the original Krizalid? Did NESTS have serious budget issues or something? I know they cloned their clones, but doing it three times to the same guy? Its a wonder Krizalid can tie his shoes, let alone fight.

^ not heard of those two. My KOF knowledge is a vague pastiche of KOF 94-2002.

edited 23rd May '11 5:02:07 PM by OmegaKross

 10 X 2 X, Mon, 23rd May '11 5:03:25 PM from the Darkness Beyond Time Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
[insert quip here]
Kyo's DNA is surgically implanted into a nameless kid who becomes K' and gets his memories suppressed. He's cloned (i.e. Krizalid), and that clone is aged up, believing himself to be the real K'. Krizalid dies when Clone Zero drops a rock on him, and then Original Zero has Krizalid cloned to fight to fight alongside him, Ron, and his pet lion Glaugan in 2001.

[up] Rugal's children, who first appeared in 2003, with Adel serving as an alternate "Bad Ending" SNK Boss (you faced him if you didn't fulfill the requirements to fight Mukai during the battle with Kusanagi, Kyo's evil doppelganger created by a brainwashed Chizuru). Adel is a Spirited Competitor Noble Demon who only follows in his father's footsteps because it's his obligation, while Rose is a haughty Rich Bitch with heavy shades of harboring a crush on Adel. Fanon pegs Mature as their mother, due to how flirty she was around Rugal (it's stated that she enjoyed her time with Rugal and their intro in '98 has her blowing a kiss at Rugal).

edited 23rd May '11 5:08:17 PM by X2X

A poem by Kenshiro: Roses are red / Violets are blue / Omae wa mo / Shindeiru.
 11 Mr Pastry, Mon, 23rd May '11 5:03:28 PM from Japanifornia
To Object or Not Object?
[up][up] They're pretty much Rugal's kids. Adel being a much more sporting chap than his old man was.

edited 23rd May '11 5:04:26 PM by MrPastry

It's more frustrating waiting for the asskicking than the asskicking itself.
 12 Schitzo, Mon, 23rd May '11 5:05:06 PM from Akumajou Dracula Relationship Status: LA Woman, you're my woman
#sadboys
I really, really have to learn how to play this series.

What's a good game to start with? My local arcade has XII(XIII?), '98 and 2002.
ALL CREATURE WILL DIE AND ALL THE THINGS WILL BE BROKEN. THAT'S THE LAW OF SAMURAI.
 13 Mr Pastry, Mon, 23rd May '11 5:10:43 PM from Japanifornia
To Object or Not Object?
Out of those 3? I'd say go with '98. It was pretty much my starting point into the series. Helps you ease in with the rest.
It's more frustrating waiting for the asskicking than the asskicking itself.
 14 X 2 X, Mon, 23rd May '11 5:11:06 PM from the Darkness Beyond Time Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
[insert quip here]
'98 and 2002 are good starts. Widely considered to be among the best titles in the series, and since they're Dream Match Games, you don't have to worry about following the storyline. XI is also good. If it's XII, skip it and move on to XIII.
A poem by Kenshiro: Roses are red / Violets are blue / Omae wa mo / Shindeiru.
 15 Schitzo, Mon, 23rd May '11 5:12:32 PM from Akumajou Dracula Relationship Status: LA Woman, you're my woman
#sadboys
Any fighters you recommend I play as? Strategies to keep in mind? (mine: This game is not Street Fighter.)

edited 23rd May '11 5:13:20 PM by Schitzo

ALL CREATURE WILL DIE AND ALL THE THINGS WILL BE BROKEN. THAT'S THE LAW OF SAMURAI.
 16 Omega Kross, Mon, 23rd May '11 5:13:05 PM from Nosgoth Relationship Status: Mu
Vae Victus
^^^^^ And with a girl's name it seems.

So, lets see if I got my head around the clone issue.

Kyo Kusanagi is the main character, and therefore invincible, so NESTS steals his DNA (dont want to think about how they did that...), and stuck it in some guy they found, hoping he'd pick up Kyo's Plot Armor so they could actually suceed at their villainous schemes. K' apparently doesnt work out, so they make a clone of him and ramp his powers up to 11. Krizalid fucks up and NESTS decide he isnt worth the millions of dollars it took to create him, and they have another clone, this time of some other guy, drop a rock on his head. Then they decide this was a bad idea, so they scrape him up and clone their clone, and give him some team mates so he wonk balls up again.

Krizalid now has 15 toes as a result.

edited 23rd May '11 5:14:12 PM by OmegaKross

So is Kula a nameless girl they picked up off the streets with suppressed memories, too, than? Does the lack of a Y chromosome make you an ice person if you're one of Kyo's clones?

And if those other guys were all clones, than what were Classic!Kyo 1 and 2 back in '99 supposed to be?

 18 X 2 X, Mon, 23rd May '11 5:31:59 PM from the Darkness Beyond Time Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
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[up][up] Er... kinda, I guess. Kyo gets kidnapped by NESTS almost immediately after killing Orochi. They extracted his DNA, hoping to harness his power. This gives birth to guys like K' and the K' children (such as Nameless), as well as the Anti-K' project (Kula and Isolde; a fail-safe in case K' defected, which he did). Krizalid was a clone of K'. He's beaten in '99, and Zero's clone kills him. The real Zero, not enjoying the stories of his clone's delusions of grandeur and attempt to take over the cartel in 2000, sets out to clear his name in 2001. One of his Strikers is a clone of Krizalid.

Any fighters you recommend I play as? Strategies to keep in mind?

Some easier characters to use are Kyo, Iori, Terry, Ryo, Robert, and Yuri since they're more or less pseudo-Shotos. For the time being (unless they're your forte), stay away from grapplers like Clark, Vice, Blue Mary, Shermie, Angel, Tizoc, etc. It's also best to not use guys like Geese, who rely on counters (not to mention that his Raging Storm is nicknamed "The Pretzel" because it requires you to pretty much draw out a pretzel on the controller; guys like K9999 and Duck King also have some pretty ridiculous inputs). You should know that a lot of characters are hybrid characters (i.e. both charge and command moves). As for gameplay, it's all about staying on your toes. KOF is a lot faster paced than SF, with running and a heavier emphasis on rushdown. Most characters tend to have chained attacks, moves that juggle a foe into the air for another hit, or attacks that hit a downed foe (for example, Kyo's claim-to-fame is his QCF attacks, which are a series of attacks stemming from one punch; he has multiple branches of moves, each with their own finishers). Also, there are only four buttons; two punches, two kicks. Many specials differ depending on which strength you use (for example, Geese's QCF + light punch is his Reppuken; QCF + heavy punch is his Double Reppuken). That's all I can think off. Just get out their and experiment like you would with any other fighter.

edited 23rd May '11 5:32:21 PM by X2X

A poem by Kenshiro: Roses are red / Violets are blue / Omae wa mo / Shindeiru.
 19 Omega Kross, Mon, 23rd May '11 5:33:13 PM from Nosgoth Relationship Status: Mu
Vae Victus
^^ Kula is apparently some girl injected with reverse engineered anti-backwards Kyo DNA, giving her ice powers instead of fire.

And apparently it didn't make her a herm. Lucky for her.

edited 23rd May '11 5:36:08 PM by OmegaKross

 20 X 2 X, Mon, 23rd May '11 5:33:55 PM from the Darkness Beyond Time Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
[insert quip here]
[up][up][up] Not sure if her memories were suppressed like K' during the genetic implantation (I don't think hers were), but Kula isn't his Opposite-Sex Clone. Kyo-1 and Kyo-2 were two of hundreds of Kyo clones created by NESTS. This became an Aborted Arc after '99. None of 'em ever made a reappearance.

edited 23rd May '11 5:34:22 PM by X2X

A poem by Kenshiro: Roses are red / Violets are blue / Omae wa mo / Shindeiru.
KOF 13

are we ever gonna get it for consoles?

 22 Omega Kross, Mon, 23rd May '11 5:38:03 PM from Nosgoth Relationship Status: Mu
Vae Victus
Why didn't they just clone Rugal? Or Iori? Then they couldve dosed theif clones with Orochi mojo.
 23 Mr Pastry, Mon, 23rd May '11 5:39:25 PM from Japanifornia
To Object or Not Object?
Because the whole Riot of the Blood tends to drive people Ax Crazy and I assume NESTS does not want to deal with that.

edited 23rd May '11 5:42:05 PM by MrPastry

It's more frustrating waiting for the asskicking than the asskicking itself.
 24 X 2 X, Mon, 23rd May '11 5:41:35 PM from the Darkness Beyond Time Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
[insert quip here]
Iori has the whole Riot of the Blood thing going for him, not to mention cursed purple flames that harm you when you use 'em and the clan's curse to all die early. Can't be good for clones. Not to mention that it's implied that the Kusanagi clan was the strongest of the Three Sacred Treasures. As for Rugal, probably Power Incontinence with the Orochi power.

[up][up][up] I've heard it's supposed to come out any time between summer and winter of this year.

edited 23rd May '11 5:41:48 PM by X2X

A poem by Kenshiro: Roses are red / Violets are blue / Omae wa mo / Shindeiru.
 25 Omega Kross, Mon, 23rd May '11 5:41:35 PM from Nosgoth Relationship Status: Mu
Vae Victus
The what of what?

EDIT: NVM, ninja'd.

edited 23rd May '11 5:42:22 PM by OmegaKross

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