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Any linguistics majors around?:

 1 Oh So Into Cats, Sun, 22nd May '11 7:49:39 PM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Hi.

I need to give my main character a strange speech pattern because he's supposed to be from a failed moon colony, which was around for long enough to have gotten over linguistic leveling somewhat (I'm saying it happened this quickly because it was a small, isolated community or something.)

Anyone want to help me come up with a coherent speech pattern that doesn't sound like it's from any region in particular, but still sounds different?

It's easy, mmkay?
Well, I'm not a linguistic major, but I'm a thinker, and so are most tropers. Maybe we can all help you.

How about his language is undigested? IE, instead of using words, he uses some number of multi-word phrases, and he still hasn't learned how to split the phrases into words or what the individual words mean by themselves, having to be slowly taught by someone who was not on the failed moon colony.
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 3 Oh So Into Cats, Sun, 22nd May '11 7:58:10 PM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Also we need to keep in mind that he's the first person viewpoint so everything will have this speech pattern so it can't be too obnoxious. I know it worked for A Clockwork Orange but I'm not a genius like Burgess.

He's been on earth for a number of years but he's also been Walking the Earth so the influence the places he's been to on his speech will be limited.

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Did one or a few linguistic/ethnic groups predominate on this moon colony?

For instance, in Richard K. Morgan's Altered Carbon, Japanese and Slavic groups predominated on the protagonist's (non-Earth) home planet.

If that's the case, the languages might've intermingled into a creole or pidgin of sorts after, maybe... a few centuries.

Then again, I don't really know that much about linguistics, let alone major in it.

edited 22nd May '11 8:07:29 PM by CrystalGlacia

 5 Oh So Into Cats, Sun, 22nd May '11 8:07:20 PM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
[up] He's supposed to be fluent in English in addition to the moon creole.

edited 22nd May '11 8:07:31 PM by OhSoIntoCats

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The creole would influence his English, too, right?

Think about those predominant group(s), and maybe you could base the creole off of those somewhat. Like making a conlang. And then perhaps the creole could filter its way into his English. You could have all kinds of fun with this.
 7 annebeeche, Sun, 22nd May '11 8:12:20 PM from by the long tidal river
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I'm imagining this moon-creole and english being mutually intelligible, but with the moon-creole having enough foreign (for our purposes, let's say Russian and Mandarin) syntax and vocabulary mixed in for the untrained english speaker to be all wtf man once people start talking about nonscientific subjects.

If this is the case, then it would make sense for the dude to occasionally slip back into creole, due to the languages not being very far removed, and spout some occasional Russian and/or Mandarin vocabulary and syntax.

edited 22nd May '11 8:15:02 PM by annebeeche

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 8 Oh So Into Cats, Sun, 22nd May '11 8:18:11 PM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The predominant groups are supposed to be Texan, Scandinavian, and Indian.

So it's probably not a creole, just very strange English.

edited 22nd May '11 8:19:27 PM by OhSoIntoCats

 9 Dec, Sun, 22nd May '11 8:18:58 PM from The Dance Floor
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If you're willing to sift through for a good one, it might be worth it to go to ITunesU or YouTubeEdu to find a course recording on linguistics. This is a fairly good introductory course, if memory serves.

That's kinda the hard way of doing it, though, and may not get direct results despite how informative it can be. It would be easier to just abduct phrasings from different dialects/languages and play with them a bit, or replacing normal variations with something more out there — like calling your girlfriend "kiddo" instead of "baby", or using "gotta give you credit for that" instead of "thank you so much". That sort of thing.
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 10 Oh So Into Cats, Sun, 22nd May '11 8:37:45 PM from The Sand Wastes Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
 11 annebeeche, Sun, 22nd May '11 8:50:45 PM from by the long tidal river
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A lot of old words in English meant drastically different things in Middle English and beyond, so yeah.

Even "to doubt" meant the opposite in Early Modern English (Shakespeare, King James).

Oh, and um, about the E. 'to ask'/S. ask, one of the pairs on the list, those words are not the same because they're not even related, like at all. The Old English word that is a cognate to S. ask was æsc which became E. 'ash' (tree). The West Germanic languages differ from the North Germanic languages in having softer pronouncations overall.

The Old English ancestor of E. 'to ask' was ascian, and the Swedish cognate is äska —as you can see, it begins with a completely different vowel that is rounder in both languages. You can also see the softening of 'sk' into 'sc' from North Germanic into West Germanic.

edited 22nd May '11 9:04:56 PM by annebeeche

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