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Ecofeminism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecofeminism

I used to be rather dismissive of ecofeminism, because it struck me as an excellent example of people trying to link ideologies with no real connection together because they happen to hold both, and because it seemed to assume the "Nature" is female. After thinking about more about it, though, I realized ecofeminism doesn't necessarily mean that, only that sexist ideologies label "Nature" as female.

Having said that, I now think that ecofeminism is nonsense for a different fundamental reason: that it springs from a form of environmentalism ("deep ecology") based on a Romantic concern for the rights of animals and even plants (often as species rather than as individuals), rather than on conservation of resources for the long-term benefit of humanity.

What do other tropers think?

edited 22nd May '11 7:55:26 PM by silver2195

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 2 Nick The Swing, Sun, 22nd May '11 8:46:03 PM from Ya really wanna know? Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
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What.

What is next?

Antidisestablishmentarianist Socialism?
 3 Aondeug, Sun, 22nd May '11 8:46:59 PM from  Our Dreams
Oh My
...this is a thing? Huh.
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 4 Tzetze, Sun, 22nd May '11 8:50:30 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
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Antidisestablishmentarianist Socialism?

Religious socialism plus a state religion isn't really farfetched.
 5 feotakahari, Sun, 22nd May '11 10:34:35 PM from Looking out at the city
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So if I oppose the concept of nature as separate from humanity, believing that there's no meaningful distinction to be made between a city and an anthill, does that mean I also oppose distinguishing male from female?

. . . Need to go reorganize my philosophy. BRB.
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 6 Tzetze, Sun, 22nd May '11 10:41:52 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
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I don't see a necessary connection, myself.
Nihilist Hippie
that it springs from a form of environmentalism ("deep ecology") based on a Romantic concern for the rights of animals and even plants (often as species rather than as individuals), rather than on conservation of resources for the long-term benefit of humanity.

I'm against deep ecology and don't think "species" should have rights. In fact I think we should destroy as much of the wilderness as can be sustainable. Because nature is plain evil. But I have strong support for animal liberation too because I think humans and animals are fundamentally equal (in a Singerian sense) and think their suffering should be absolutely minimized. As long as we use animals, they will suffer. And this matters to me much more than the trivial pleasures we use them for. But as far as animal research goes, I'm more ambivalent. But since I strongly believe severely mentally disabled humans are equal to animals are equal to normal adult humans, I tend to be against it on moral grounds too.

edited 22nd May '11 10:50:34 PM by LoveHappiness

"Had Mother Nature been a real parent, she would have been in jail for child abuse and murder." -Nick Bostrom
 8 Nick The Swing, Sun, 22nd May '11 10:53:27 PM from Ya really wanna know? Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
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National Socialist Whig Party.

Nazi Whigs.

Beat THAT!
Yes Mickey
[up] Libertarian Communism.

Romantic environmentalism does nothing but cause people to be turned off by the movement. If someone is to sacrifice some part of their way of life there better be a good reason for it.

edited 22nd May '11 11:24:14 PM by Completion

I'm usually using my phone so typos and dropped words are bound to show up.
 10 joeyjojo, Mon, 23rd May '11 1:08:20 AM from Opp North Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
@love happiness: you know Singer is pro infanticide on matters of disability right?surprised

edited 23rd May '11 1:10:19 AM by joeyjojo

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I don't know much about the topic. But I know that Vandana Shiva is one of the leading thinkers of Ecofeminism, and I know that she is a very competent person with a number of interesting ideas.

So I would not dismiss the idea offhand, just because it sounds goofy (as it does, frankly).

edited 23rd May '11 1:13:07 AM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

 12 MRDA 1981, Mon, 23rd May '11 1:55:51 AM from Hell (London), UK.
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Guh!
 13 Myrmidon, Mon, 23rd May '11 5:51:05 AM from In Antartica
The Ant King
I don't believe in the existence of nature, personally.
Kill all math nerds
[up]Me neither, hence the quote marks in the OP.
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