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 126 Blurring, Thu, 26th Apr '12 4:49:57 AM from Ampang, Selangor, Malaysia.
Finding things changing
I don't think Islam forbids sports per se, but do forbids the unsavoury activities associated with the sport.
Ain't no parrot on my shoulder and no rings in my ear, but I ain't no irate pirate, real swashbuckling buccaneer!
 127 d Roy, Thu, 26th Apr '12 7:29:07 AM Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Once I'm done reading The Bible at least several times, I would actually like to read Koran. It sounds really interesting. I always liked its values too.
"Allah may guide their bullets, but Jesus helps those who aim down the sights."
 128 carbon-mantis, Thu, 26th Apr '12 2:33:08 PM from the woods Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Why hello there!
Hmm, on that note, can anyone recommend an English translation of the Koran? From what I've heard it's pretty difficult to convey the meaning of a lot of the Arabic script in other languages, but I don't think I'll be able to pick up Arabic anytime in the near future. . .
So, naturalists observe, a flea has smaller fleas that on him prey; and these have smaller still to bite ’em; and so proceed ad infinitum.
 129 Blurring, Thu, 26th Apr '12 7:17:20 PM from Ampang, Selangor, Malaysia.
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I heard some good words about the Yusuf Ali and Pickthal version.
Ain't no parrot on my shoulder and no rings in my ear, but I ain't no irate pirate, real swashbuckling buccaneer!
 130 Dark Destruction, Sat, 5th May '12 6:39:49 PM from World of Trigonometry Relationship Status: In your bunk
She's here! Where's the grub?
[up] Seconded.
 131 carbon-mantis, Mon, 7th May '12 7:05:54 PM from the woods Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Why hello there!
Thanks for the recommendations, I managed to find one on Amazon that has translations by Yusef Ali, Pickthall, and one Muhammad Habib Shakir side-by-side on each page.

The short biography on the latter is pretty interesting, apparently there's some debate around whether the author even actually wrote it, or if it might just be a fake name given by someone who plagiarized an earlier translation. . .
So, naturalists observe, a flea has smaller fleas that on him prey; and these have smaller still to bite ’em; and so proceed ad infinitum.
 132 Dark Destruction, Wed, 9th May '12 5:20:24 PM from World of Trigonometry Relationship Status: In your bunk
She's here! Where's the grub?
So my school put up a poster by a local Islamic group that says to reject Lady Gaga concerts in Indonesia. This is their reason why:

  • She uses the Illuminati eye (I myself don't know the actual name of the symbol so I just called it that) which they equates to occult symbols.
  • She's a gay rights activist.
  • She's often naked/wears revealing costumes which they equate to endorsement of porn.
  • She uses blood = she's a Satanist.
  • Gaga means, in their definition, "empty mind", "lacking religious values", etc.

Personally, I don't care much for LG's songs but... [1]

'scuse me, I'm off to FSTDT.

edited 9th May '12 5:20:46 PM by DarkDestruction

 133 Mr AHR, Thu, 10th May '12 8:25:33 AM from ಠ_ಠ Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
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@Sabian: Hmm, what did people expect to be my religion?
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Is that cake frosting?
I'm curious about the Muslim understanding of angels and djins. What are they? What is the relation between them? What is their role in Creation?

Thanks!

edited 16th Jun '12 5:23:13 AM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

 136 Zersk, Sat, 16th Jun '12 5:37:48 AM from Columbia District, BNA
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Angels (from what I understand of what scripture says) are made of light, can't do wrong, and are basically God's workers/messengers/etc. Djinns, on the other hand, are more like humans, in that they have free will. Also, they're made of 'smokeless fire', which apparently means you can't see them.
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 137 Blurring, Sat, 16th Jun '12 6:20:19 AM from Ampang, Selangor, Malaysia.
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Humans can see them if they want to. Malaikat are God's creation made from light. They are without nafsu (lust) but are given akal (thought), unlike humans and jinns that have both.

edited 16th Jun '12 6:20:37 AM by Blurring

Ain't no parrot on my shoulder and no rings in my ear, but I ain't no irate pirate, real swashbuckling buccaneer!
Is that cake frosting?
What is nafsu? You describe it as "lust", but since you say that God gave it to humans and jinns (by the way, what is the deal with jinns/djinns? I suppose that this is an issue of transliteration...), I cannot think that it is inherently evil...

edited 16th Jun '12 6:27:38 AM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

 139 Blurring, Sat, 16th Jun '12 6:32:09 AM from Ampang, Selangor, Malaysia.
Finding things changing
In Islam, lust by itself is not evil, but allowing your thought to be controlled by it is. I can lust after a woman, but as long as I'm not doing anything that God forbids then I'm not doing anything evil. Lust is part of being human, and to reject it is to reject what God has ordained.

Some Jinns actually obey God, others don't, and follow Iblis to make humans stray from the right path.

edited 16th Jun '12 6:34:03 AM by Blurring

Ain't no parrot on my shoulder and no rings in my ear, but I ain't no irate pirate, real swashbuckling buccaneer!
Is that cake frosting?
Ah, OK. So this is just an issue of different terminology: I hold "lust" to be uncontrolled sexuality, not sexuality in itself. If I am seeing a woman and thinking that she is pretty, this is not lust; but if I betray my hypothetical wife with that woman, then this is giving in to lust and it is a sin.
But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

 141 Blurring, Sat, 16th Jun '12 6:41:29 AM from Ampang, Selangor, Malaysia.
Finding things changing
Nafsu also covers more than just sexuality, it also covers the lust for food, power, wealth etc. So if I hypothetically give in to my lust for food and eat uncontrollably, it means that I allowed my lust of food take over my thought, that is also sinful. However, if I could control and direct my lust of wealth to obtain wealth the way God ordained, that is good.

edited 16th Jun '12 6:44:27 AM by Blurring

Ain't no parrot on my shoulder and no rings in my ear, but I ain't no irate pirate, real swashbuckling buccaneer!
Is that cake frosting?
Ah, OK. I would categorize "lust for food" as gluttony, which is also a sin but is another sin; and similarly, I would call "lust for wealth" greed. But it's just an issue of terminology, I think. We would probably agree, for the most part, about which acts are sinful and which acts aren't.

Out of curiosity, does Islam have any sort of list of virtues/sins?

edited 16th Jun '12 6:52:27 AM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

 143 Blurring, Sat, 16th Jun '12 7:43:33 AM from Ampang, Selangor, Malaysia.
Finding things changing
According to Sahih Bukhari the seven pernicious or deadly sins are:

  • associating anything with Allah,
  • witchcraft,
  • killing one whom Allah has declared inviolate without a just case,
  • consuming the property of an orphan,
  • devouring usury,
  • turning back when the army advances, and
  • false accusation of chaste women who are believers but indiscreet.

As a side note I notice I was mistaken on the definition of lust when Christians mention it as a sin. It actually means "uncontrolled sexuality" rather than sexuality itself, Another preconception to change today.
Ain't no parrot on my shoulder and no rings in my ear, but I ain't no irate pirate, real swashbuckling buccaneer!
Is that cake frosting?
Thanks!
killing one whom Allah has declared inviolate without a just case
What does this mean?
But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

 145 lord Gacek, Sat, 16th Jun '12 8:47:45 AM from Kansas of Europe
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Is this true that in Islamic teaching there are Muslim djinns, Christian djinns and djinns of other religions?
"Atheism is the religion whose followers are easiest to troll"
 146 Blurring, Sat, 16th Jun '12 9:16:29 AM from Ampang, Selangor, Malaysia.
Finding things changing
[up][up] It basically means killing somebody is not allowed unless God says it is allowed.

[up] Yes, and like humans, they also have different nations, races, cultures and languages.

edited 16th Jun '12 9:19:01 AM by Blurring

Ain't no parrot on my shoulder and no rings in my ear, but I ain't no irate pirate, real swashbuckling buccaneer!
 147 Dark Destruction, Mon, 18th Jun '12 3:07:45 AM from World of Trigonometry Relationship Status: In your bunk
She's here! Where's the grub?
While Blurring's explanation of nafsu is quite correct, I believe its definition is more of a "primal desire"; desire for food, wealth, sex, etc.
 148 Blurring, Mon, 18th Jun '12 3:26:07 AM from Ampang, Selangor, Malaysia.
Finding things changing
[up]It does seems better. My translation training doesn't cover religious terms.
Ain't no parrot on my shoulder and no rings in my ear, but I ain't no irate pirate, real swashbuckling buccaneer!
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 150 Dark Destruction, Thu, 21st Jun '12 3:40:13 AM from World of Trigonometry Relationship Status: In your bunk
She's here! Where's the grub?
[up][up] Any terms that you want translated?
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