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'Clean' coal:

 1 joeyjojo, Mon, 16th May '11 3:04:16 PM from The Magic Land Of Oz Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
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As the easily accessible oil runs out and global warming becomes more of a issue the world needs a new energy source.  

so called clean coal is being pimped as a solution by many, especially those working in mining.

I'm doubtful if the technology is any more then hot air myself, but it seems worth looking into.

Your opinions?
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 2 Usht, Mon, 16th May '11 3:12:08 PM from an arbitrary view point.
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Well, seeing as nuclear fusion is always twenty years out of reach, this may not be a bad substitute if it's as clean as advertised. I'm still having my doubts though.
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 3 Hungry Joe, Mon, 16th May '11 3:15:01 PM from Under the Tree
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Well, it's better than burning raw coal, but still not great.

Give me a nuclear plant any day.
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 4 Pykrete, Mon, 16th May '11 3:33:44 PM from Viridian Forest
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Chances are any lump of "clean" coal will have more energy in it in readily-extracted nuclear fuel than you'd ever get from burning the coal.

Seriously, enough with the coal. Nuclear is fine when we're allowed to build ones that are actually up to modern standards. Hell, even using the outdated ones it's got a better record by miles.

Well, seeing as nuclear fusion is always twenty years out of reach

Twenty years of digging through a crowd of angry hippies maybe tongue

edited 16th May '11 3:35:28 PM by Pykrete

 5 Usht, Mon, 16th May '11 3:41:08 PM from an arbitrary view point.
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Yeah well, people only know about Chernobyl and so they will harp on about it. The incident in Japan? Bad but not as horrific as people think, not by a long shot, meanwhile, that generator had been giving Japan power for over a decade and it took a tsunami to break it. That's engineering, people.

(I'm preaching to the choir, aren't I?)
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Now, now, some of them think they know about Three Mile Island.

 
Dollar for dollar, wind, solar, and conservation are vastly superior investments. We might as well get started doing what needs to be done anyway.

Eric,

 8 Zersk, Mon, 16th May '11 5:10:47 PM from Columbia District, BNA
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Hydrogen.

HYDROGEN.

HYDROGEN.

And other sources of clean energy, of course.
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Hydrogen fuel cells aren't a source of energy, just a energy storage mechanism.

edited 16th May '11 5:13:08 PM by blueharp

 
 10 Zersk, Mon, 16th May '11 5:13:33 PM from Columbia District, BNA
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YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. >:/
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 11 Pykrete, Mon, 16th May '11 5:21:11 PM from Viridian Forest
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Really, absolutely fucking anything is better than coal. The fact we're still using it is a travesty.

 12 joeyjojo, Mon, 16th May '11 6:03:17 PM from The Magic Land Of Oz Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
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I guess a lot of people that are pushing 'clean' coal is because of all the present money and jobs are tied up in fossil fuels.

There is no shortage of coal however. There is enough Shale coal to last 10, 000 years at a conservere estimation.

edited 16th May '11 11:10:27 PM by joeyjojo

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 13 Zersk, Mon, 16th May '11 6:09:16 PM from Columbia District, BNA
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Joey: Does that include a possible higher demand for it?
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 14 Usht, Mon, 16th May '11 6:11:19 PM from an arbitrary view point.
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More so, does that include the raw energy you can get out of them or the amount of profit achieved after you spend energy extracting them and "cleaning" them?
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 15 Hungry Joe, Mon, 16th May '11 6:12:13 PM from Under the Tree
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Shale coal bearly breaks even in terms of energy, though. Remember, it takes fossil fuels to mine and transport it.
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 16 Pykrete, Mon, 16th May '11 6:29:32 PM from Viridian Forest
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There is no shortage of coal however. There is enough shall coal to last 10, 000 years at a conservere estimation.

And once more, in each lump of coal you've got enough trace nuclear fuel to put out more power than burning the coal ever would've gotten you.

edited 16th May '11 6:29:54 PM by Pykrete

 17 Zersk, Mon, 16th May '11 6:31:04 PM from Columbia District, BNA
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And then again, because by that time we'd hopefully have built a working nuclear fusion reactor.
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Except that turning that into usable reactor fuel would use more energy than a reactor could make from it. Really, that's about as meaningful as noting that the electron bonds in a lump of coal contain trillions of times more fusion energy than is obtained by burning it.

Eric,

By the time we need to get radioactive materials from coal, we'll hopefully be able to use our Awesome Super Brains to do it.

If not, then I demand a flying car.

 
Let's just go nuclear already, it's been a long time coming. Worst case scenario, we create a superhero/villain with radiation themed powers.

edited 16th May '11 6:46:01 PM by Talby

 21 Usht, Mon, 16th May '11 7:00:05 PM from an arbitrary view point.
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Note to self: Get job as some country's queen/president/whatever. Have them built a nuclear reactor and store one spider in a cage next to one of the machines. Have spider bite self.
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Make sure you include a vat of rubber, and just in case, some carrots.

 
 23 annebeeche, Mon, 16th May '11 7:10:49 PM from by the long tidal river
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Just coming in to share this hilarious commercial:

-skips off into the countryside-
Banned entirely for telling FE that he was being rude and not contributing to the discussion. I shall watch down from the goon heavens.
 24 Deboss, Mon, 16th May '11 7:26:29 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Nuclear all the way.
 25 joeyjojo, Mon, 16th May '11 11:19:41 PM from The Magic Land Of Oz Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
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Okay even if clean coal was developed I can't see it being more than a transition technology, but I can't see us all driving nuclear powered cars in 30 years times either.

edited 16th May '11 11:20:04 PM by joeyjojo

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