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Does a such thing as a Mongoloid, Caucasoid, or Negroid skull exist?:

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I thought it would be more apparent than it was.

Though I probably should have gone for another example. I do rather admit that I hate the likes of Martin Lawrence and find him unfunny and annoying, and all comedy those veins.

edited 19th May '11 1:06:46 AM by Ukonkivi

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 177 KCK, Thu, 19th May '11 1:09:13 AM from In your closet
Can I KCK it?
@Ukonkivi Then perhaps you should not have phrased your statement in such an objective manner.
There's no justice in the world and there never was~
Over 10,000 dead.:<
There is little that is objective to begin with.

What a direction of triviality this thread is taking.
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 179 KCK, Thu, 19th May '11 1:21:48 AM from In your closet
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@Ukonkivi I know, which is why when somebody states their opinion they should phrase it subjectively.

There's no justice in the world and there never was~
Over 10,000 dead.:<
Ehem, since this thread is taking this direction anyway. I personally distaste racial comedy and the stereotypes it promotes.

If I'm not mistaken, the film made a big deal out of Martin Lawrence's race and became something a mockery of European heritage from a black perspective sort of thing. Then again, it's been years since I was subjected to that thing. My school was having an off day, and some crazy thought it would be good to show the class.

Probably not the best of examples since I don't remember it. Though there's probably other things to compare unfavorably.
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 181 KCK, Thu, 19th May '11 1:58:41 AM from In your closet
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@Ukonkivi That's the difference between you and me; I love racial comedy.
There's no justice in the world and there never was~
Over 10,000 dead.:<
Clearly it is.
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 183 Bobby G, Thu, 19th May '11 5:42:47 AM from the Silvery Tay
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European heritage is not so fragile and precious or pristine and perfect that it can't handle a little mocking. How did you feel about Monty Python and the Holy Grail? That was British white guys mocking the hell out of Arthurian myth, and it was hilarious. Is that a bad thing?

I haven't seen Black Knight, but as far as I've seen it's just a rather rubbish movie. It's not an insult. It's not filth. And I'm honestly a little disturbed by the point you appear to be making there, if I'm reading your post correctly.

Oh, and Anne of Green Gables is Canadian, not American, by the way.
Over 10,000 dead.:<
America is a continent, and so I personally think it ought to be referred to that way.

I'm annoyed by the insistence of many United States citizens to call themselves "American" like America is a country. Mexicans and Canadians are both certainly Americans.
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 185 Bobby G, Thu, 19th May '11 6:08:29 AM from the Silvery Tay
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Now I'm reminded of Vandro.

There is no continent called "America". There is a supercontinent called the Americas, which is composed of North America and South America. Neither of these is called simply "America".

When English speakers refer to America, they mean the United States of America. Just as when they refer to Britain, they mean the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and just as when they refer to China, they mean the People's Republic of China, and when they refer to Finland, they mean the Republic of Finland.

But if you want to tell a Canadian that he's American, on your head be it, I guess.
Over 10,000 dead.:<
Well, there's North American and South America, indeed. I should have said continents. America should certainly not be called a country, though.

Mostly it just seemed the most convenient way to say that at the time. I suppose I should have went for more exact speech and accuracy than I did.

Of course, Monty Python and the Holy Grail is certainly cute. Even if I often do enjoy more dramatic and less comedic versions of ancient Europe. That of Monty Python is cute and fair, although over the top. While if I remember that movie seemed a big insulting to white people, the Martin Lawrence film. I don't why you're disturbed here, but I get the feeling it's along the lines "because he's black". Is that what you believe?

I could be wrong or whatever. I don't exactly remember much about that... thing. Thankfully. Rubbish sounds about a right assessment, though.
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 187 Bobby G, Thu, 19th May '11 6:39:43 AM from the Silvery Tay
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America is the name of a country. And apparently, much more rarely, of a continent. But this is beyond off topic, sorry. This is, like

topic                                                                               us

So I'll drop it.

Monty Python is cute? Interesting; I would not have described it as such. It was certainly mocking, sometimes rather harshly, though the whole thing is balanced out by the general silliness of it all and the fact that the Pythons mocked just about everybody the same with no ill will behind it.

What bothered me was that you picked out a bad film that was very much grounded in African-American culture and compared it to a good Japanese cartoon. It seemed to me that you were trying to indicate something about the cultures behind the works by comparison. Was that not the case? Admittedly, Anne of Green Gables is an adaptation and Black Knight is a spoof, so obviously the former is more respectful.

edited 19th May '11 6:40:22 AM by BobbyG

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That's African-American culture? Does an African-American culture even truly exist? Most of the things I've heard of claiming to be African-American culture just seemed like bad stereotypes.

Well, if I like Black Knight less than Monty Python and find it insulting while the other not really. It probably says I'm moved to severe irritation by this "African-American culture" thing. Well, I certainly remembered being offended and repulsed by that film. I wasn't trying to indicate something about the cultures that I'm aware. Though you are making it sound like African-American culture is a bit gross. Is it disturbing to not like African-American culture? Because it's not sounding very nice right now. Not that such was my original intention. Black Knight just seemed disrespectful towards white people. And I wouldn't dare make a statement like "racism towards whites" is part of black culture. This is also the only thing I know of offhand that is a particularly Occidental setting, but stars black people. Are there tributes that I am not aware of? It is not as if I know of anything for a better example, such as a European Fantasy drama featuring black actors. And I do think it sends a bad message if the only Occidental-esque movies featuring black people, are ones featuring black people mocking white people.

What is African-American culture anyway? Does it include rock music? Because I like Viking Folk Metal. I have a violent distaste for people like Martin Lawrence and Chris Rock, though.

edited 19th May '11 7:15:07 AM by Ukonkivi

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Is that cake frosting?
That's African-American culture? Does an African-American culture even truly exist? Most of the things I've heard of claiming to be African-American culture just seemed like bad stereotypes.

African-American Culture.

African-American Literature.

Harlem Renaissance.

Black Arts Movement.

And plenty of other stuff, certainly — my own knowledge of the whole field is sorely lacking, perhaps some African-American troper can tell you more.

Identifying African-American culture with Gangsta Rap and the like makes about as much sense as identifying mainstream Western culture with Lady Gaga, or Japanese culture with weird pornography.

edited 19th May '11 7:17:24 AM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

Over 10,000 dead.:<
There can be a wikipedia article on such things, that doesn't mean everybody believes that it exists.

From what I can see, "African-American culture" is just American culture, with an edge of black identity or something of a similar sort.
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Is that cake frosting?
There can be a wikipedia article on such things, that doesn't mean everybody believes that it exists.
True.
From what I can see, "African-American culture" is just American culture, with an edge of black identity or something of a similar sort.
Well, yes, African-American culture is a subset of American culture, and its productions share many common aspects — though not everything — with those of the white Americans among whom African-Americans live.

Were you expecting it to be more similar to Nepalese culture instead?

edited 19th May '11 7:34:00 AM by Carciofus

But they seem to know where they are going, the ones who walk away from Omelas.

 192 Jordan, Thu, 19th May '11 7:31:19 AM from Westeros
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"True" [lol]
Hodor
 193 Bobby G, Thu, 19th May '11 7:34:34 AM from the Silvery Tay
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[awesome], Carciofus.

African-American culture... it's kind of a dodgy thing for me to be talking about, as a white Brit, I guess, so you should maybe take what I say with a pinch of salt, but...

I think it sort of blurs the line between an American subculture and an actual nationality, a bit. It's not a nationality, but it has some of the characteristics of one: shared cultural history (albeit one of slavery and segregation), certain linguistic similarities, different trends in music, art, literature, etc., they had a fairly strong nationalist movement at one point which garnered a reasonable amount of support (unlike white nationalism, which has never really been more than a fringe thing in the US)... you get the picture. It doesn't necessarily exclude all non-black people or include all African-Americans, either; it's a vague cultural/subcultural grouping. Some people take great pride in it, some people don't care about it very much.

What bothered me was that it sounded as though you were picking out a bad comedy film as representative of African-American culture, which as Carciofus said, is kinda like picking out weird porn as representative of Japanese culture. But it doesn't sound like that's what you were doing, so never mind.

And African-American culture is the original source of rock music, but it doesn't include all rock music. Viking folk metal, probably not.

edited 19th May '11 7:35:48 AM by BobbyG

 194 Madass Alex, Thu, 19th May '11 7:41:33 AM from the Middle Ages.
I am vexed!
I can tell you that, as someone who is quite embracing of his Germanic heritage, I love to mock the fuck out of Germans, Austrians and the Swiss. The people with whom I share genetic heritage are often very silly. My Austrian grandfather was certainly extremely silly. At family gatherings, he would sing extremely badly, loudly, passionately and in German. Mostly about cuckoo clocks. It was very endearing. But dumb. I shall affectionately mock that until the day I die.

People of all races and creeds mock Germania at large. Why not? 'Tis a silly place. Pretty, rich in culture and history, highly relevant in both historical and modern terms. But these are also the people that have literal sausage festivals. Silly silly silly silly silly.

Race can play a significant part in identity, but there's nothing holy about it. In fact, some studies suggest that human beings have a general tendency towards seeking or creating genetic diversity. If our instinct to fuck tells us that race isn't that important, I think that says it all.

 195 KCK, Thu, 19th May '11 2:35:10 PM from In your closet
Can I KCK it?
African-American troper here, but I don't have much to add to what's already been said.

There's no justice in the world and there never was~
Over 10,000 dead.:<
Did you just compare people who disagree with wikipedia to Creationists?D:

edited 20th May '11 2:20:36 AM by Ukonkivi

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 197 Bobby G, Fri, 20th May '11 7:18:56 AM from the Silvery Tay
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He linked to a Wikipedia article about something which some people don't believe exists.
Over 10,000 dead.:<
Except that Evolution is an established theory.D:

You can disagree with wikipedia on something without being as ignorant and unfounded as a creationist.

... why do I keep coming to this thread after it's over for the most part? My mind keeps tempting me going "oooh, what are they saying", and eventually giving in after it bugs me for a few minutes. This degrades my day(not trying to use dramatic language), I need to get my mind off of this stuff, not fixate upon it again. I am going to wake up tomorrow, and I am not going to visit this thread. I am pretend it does not exist.

Actually, maybe you should lock this thread. It's been split into two topics from the beginning, my psychology, and historical definitions of race. Maybe they can be discussed again someday. But this thread has been a hectic absence of being properly on topic since the beginning. If we ever have a thread on either of these things again, it should be in a separate thread. My Polyandry topic was locked, so it would make sense to have this one locked since it is clearly in multiple directions and has been since the beginning.

So, if you would kindly. It would probably help get this stuff off my mind anyway.

edited 20th May '11 5:31:35 PM by Ukonkivi

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 199 Bobby G, Fri, 20th May '11 5:36:08 PM from the Silvery Tay
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I'd say denying the existence of an established and influential culture seems roughly comparable to denying the existence of a scientific theory.

Nevertheless, yes, we have derailed a long way from the OP. I'll lock it.
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