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5526 TheBatPencil11th Oct 2012 10:51:31 PM from Glasgow, Scotland , Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
[up] No idea, sorry.

Anyway, this stuff needs to be far tighter regulated. Like those legal loan shark companies (Wonga and such; APR of 4214%).
And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
5527 Greenmantle11th Oct 2012 11:52:29 PM from Greater Wessex , Relationship Status: I know
Phantom of the Spey
@ Michael:

What percentage of SSE is Scottish owned?

It's a Scottish-registered company, and its HQ is in Perth. It's about as Scottish as Stagecoach and First Group. It doesn't have to be Scottish-owned to be Scottish, it just needs to be a Scottish-registered company!
"It's been a long, hard road but you must carry on"
5528 Greenmantle12th Oct 2012 03:36:07 AM from Greater Wessex , Relationship Status: I know
Phantom of the Spey
This Just In:

Crime probes into Hillsborough Launched

edited 12th Oct '12 3:38:52 AM by Greenmantle

"It's been a long, hard road but you must carry on"
5529 Euodiachloris12th Oct 2012 03:36:50 AM from England (Oop North) , Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Euo will do!
[up]GOOD! Somebodies need to face the music.

edited 12th Oct '12 3:37:02 AM by Euodiachloris

"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
5530 TamH7012th Oct 2012 06:04:22 AM from 合計虐殺 , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
And then a firing squad. At the least.
WWI centenary remembrance plans to be unveiled

I'm conflicted on this: on the one hand, I'm all for another day off (we need more of those); but on the other hand this seems like a part of that disturbing trend of glorifying the military, which mostly seems like a genius marketing move by the military to trick more people into joining their vile organisation. If Remembrance Day was more about 'these poor chumps got tricked into wasting their lives for nothing :(' then I'd be more OK with it, but as it is...

edited 12th Oct '12 6:27:55 AM by imadinosaur

Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
5532 Greenmantle12th Oct 2012 06:36:27 AM from Greater Wessex , Relationship Status: I know
Phantom of the Spey
^ Remembrance Sunday/Day is for those who served in all wars: past, present and future, not just World War I.

Tricked?

They knew what they were getting into, and chose to do it.

World War I, as far as I'm concerned, was the culmination of the entire Western Enlightenment, a process that started in the 14th Century.
"It's been a long, hard road but you must carry on"
I have a friend who was in the army who has told me to punch anyone who goes 'they knew what they were getting into'.

It's especially bollocks for 'it'll be over by Christmas' grand adventure WW1.
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
5534 Greenmantle12th Oct 2012 07:12:37 AM from Greater Wessex , Relationship Status: I know
Phantom of the Spey
^

How long did everyone expect a European War to break out before it did? 15 years at least? If not nearer 40?

The British Empire had been having Invasion Scares on-and-off since around 1850. World War I was one of the most Foreshadowed wars in History.

edited 12th Oct '12 7:14:52 AM by Greenmantle

"It's been a long, hard road but you must carry on"
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
[up]I'm not sure that translates to 'by the way, FYI, if you sign up now you will get trench foot, PTSD, and have your lungs burned out by mustard gas'. Society does a pretty good job of obfuscating just what war really involves.
Freedom of speech includes the freedom for other people to call you out on your bullshit.
And that shows that the average soldier - a working-class man with very little knowledge of international politics, who had wholly bought into a social structure that constantly lied to him, and who joined the army in a haze of propaganda - 'knew what they were signing up for' how?

LOL, ninja'd by a post that explains my point more clearly than I did.

The same factors - though to a lesser extent - apply today with a lot of people who join the army.

edited 12th Oct '12 7:22:52 AM by imadinosaur

Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
5537 Michael12th Oct 2012 09:14:19 AM , Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
So that's what this does
Did anyone else catch the first ten minutes or so of Wednesday's One Show where they talked about the people trying to make local banking become a real option again?

Sounds like it could be very positive.
Balance - the original sixth sense.
5538 Inhopelessguy12th Oct 2012 10:39:04 AM from Inside the Hopey Tree , Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
Part of the LIGHTS Army
Local banking, eh? Sounds nifty.

So, dem po-po, yeh, dey, got dem grasses on dat Saville geezah, innit dou'?

(The Met have, apparently, 240 leads on Saville.)

It's totes wixxxxxxxx!

(It's very interesting)

I... I adore you. And that's all I wanted to say, bye bye.

^

:|

What on Earth are you trying to do?
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
5540 CaissasDeathAngel12th Oct 2012 01:01:43 PM from Dumfries, SW Scotland , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
It's a reference to a couple of pages back - http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13047108520A43173900&page=220#5485 that post and few more below it. Hopey has turned it into a minor running gag over the last couple of days in this thread.
My name is Addy. Please call me that instead of my username.
5541 Inhopelessguy12th Oct 2012 01:17:18 PM from Inside the Hopey Tree , Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
Part of the LIGHTS Army
@ Ima. Does one not know of urban colloqiualism? It's basically how (some) young people my age talk.

Also,[up] too.

I... I adore you. And that's all I wanted to say, bye bye.

5542 Greenmantle12th Oct 2012 03:00:10 PM from Greater Wessex , Relationship Status: I know
Phantom of the Spey
Random stuff:

...and.

"It's been a long, hard road but you must carry on"
5543 Inhopelessguy14th Oct 2012 06:50:59 AM from Inside the Hopey Tree , Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
Part of the LIGHTS Army
MoD to investigate military lobbying claim.

The issue isn't former military leaders working for defence firms, its them working for defence t while in the cooldown period of two years.

edited 14th Oct '12 6:51:17 AM by Inhopelessguy

I... I adore you. And that's all I wanted to say, bye bye.

5544 Michael16th Oct 2012 04:43:20 AM , Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
So that's what this does
Looks like Gary McKinnon gets tried here after all.

Couldn't they have done that a decade ago?

edited 16th Oct '12 4:43:31 AM by Michael

Balance - the original sixth sense.
5545 TamH7016th Oct 2012 04:55:16 AM from 合計虐殺 , Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19957138 for details.

Halle fucking lujah. About fucking time. Maybe now that perfidious, one-sided, biased, stupid, idiotic so-called extradition treaty can get shot in the neck. We obviously need such a treaty. But not one so calculated to give British citizens LESS rights than American ones.
I think we shouldn't extradite people to places where they won't get a fair trial (like terrorist suspects to America), or where they are at risk of excessively cruel punishments (like American maximum-security prisons).
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
5547 Michael16th Oct 2012 05:25:32 AM , Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
So that's what this does
I understand the strong emotions of the case, but really the point is that he broke British law in a manner that had effects beyond Britain. If someone commits fraud that affects people in fifteen countries we don't immediately start fifteen extradition procedures. We should simply try him here and have done with it.

Edit: Or to be entirely accurate, we should simply have tried him here and had done with it a decade ago.

edited 16th Oct '12 5:26:32 AM by Michael

Balance - the original sixth sense.
5548 Euodiachloris16th Oct 2012 05:29:06 AM from England (Oop North) , Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Euo will do!
[up]Exactly. This delay was just... insane.
"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
5549 TheBatPencil16th Oct 2012 05:42:44 AM from Glasgow, Scotland , Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
This is the right decision, if only because the nature of US/UK extradition needs to change. The O'Dwyer case is the big test of how much spine this government has.
And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
5550 pagad16th Oct 2012 06:18:19 AM from perfidious Albion , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Sneering Imperialist
Hey, does anyone remember when the US ambassador insisted the treaty was entirely fair and works well?
Typhoid and swans - it all comes from the same place.

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