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 5476 Tam H 70, Sat, 6th Oct '12 8:36:44 AM from 合計虐殺 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19853903 - finally got rid of old Hooky.
 5477 Inhopelessguy, Sun, 7th Oct '12 3:30:11 PM from Birmingham/Coventry, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
Part of the LIGHTS Army
Indeed we have.

And the Tory party conference starts up the road from me. Exciting.

Oh, fuck.

I'm never going to get to school on time for the next few days.

I love you more than you hate your periods.

 5478 Greenmantle, Sun, 7th Oct '12 3:32:06 PM from Britannia Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
"Per ardua ad astra"
Come on, it's only at the ICC — I had to walk around it at Uni to get to Tesco's at Five Ways. Just add a little more time and leave a bit earlier.
 5479 Inhopelessguy, Sun, 7th Oct '12 3:33:06 PM from Birmingham/Coventry, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
Part of the LIGHTS Army
Eh.

Of course, my dad is never going to be able to pick me up from school, thanks to the fact his office is near the ICC. tongue

I love you more than you hate your periods.

 5480 Michael, Mon, 8th Oct '12 12:38:27 AM Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
So that's what this does
You have a perfect excuse for being late. Chill.
Balance - the original sixth sense.
Euo will do!
Like it's any worse than Crufts... <shakes head>
"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
 5482 Michael, Mon, 8th Oct '12 5:08:54 AM Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
So that's what this does
I see that the people who posted bail for Julian Assange are losing their money.
Balance - the original sixth sense.
 5483 Greenmantle, Mon, 8th Oct '12 5:18:53 AM from Britannia Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
"Per ardua ad astra"
At the ICC:

The government is determined to cut a further 10bn from the benefits budget to fight the deficit, Chancellor George Osborne has told the Tory conference. One idea he suggested was limiting the number of children in a family that should be supported on benefits. Mr Osborne said the better-off would have to pay more in taxes, but the budget could not be balanced "on the wallets of the rich".

He ruled out a levy on high-value properties sought by Lib Dems. Mr Osborne also unveiled a plan to allow workers to be given shares in the firm they work for in return for dropping their unfair dismissal rights. He said there would be no capital gains tax on the profits from the shares, so it would be "owners, workers and the taxman all in it together".

Mr Osborne's speech comes with the UK economy in recession, hitting the government's tax takings and its plans to reduce the deficit (the difference between the amount spent by government and the amount it receives from tax etc). In his speech in Birmingham, the chancellor made clear he was not planning to change course and said a further 16bn of savings must be found by 2015/16 to meet his target of balancing the budget within five years. This, he said, would include cutting 10bn more from the welfare bill by 2016-17, on top of the 18bn announced in 2010. Mr Osborne said: "Let the message from this conference be clear: we will finish the job we have started."

He told party members that "the economy is healing" but added that "healing is taking longer than we hoped, because the damage was greater than we feared". Mr Osborne spelt out ideas for cutting the welfare bill, such as limiting housing benefit for the under-25s, so that young people without a job have to live at home; possible further curbs on child tax credits; and allowing benefit increases to be lower than the rate of inflation.

In other word, they want more workers co-operatives, more John Lewis Partnerships...

Mr Miliband grabbed headlines last week by saying he had sought inspiration from Tory Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli for his new slogan. Disraeli was associated with a moderate "one nation" brand of Conservatism. But Mr Miliband's claim was mocked by the foreign secretary as the Tories gathered for their annual conference.

Speaking from the Birmingham conference stage, Mr Hague, a best-selling author of political histories, was cheered by activists as he attacked the Labour leader: "Last week he made claim to be Disraeli.

"We know a little more about Benjamin Disraeli, a great Conservative Prime Minister, than he does. Disraeli was defined by changing his party for the late 19th century while Ed Miliband will be defined by refusing to change his party for the 21st century. Disraeli believed in fiscal discipline, in self-reliance, in building on historic strengths, in this country paying its way and in taxes being kept down. He was no deficit spender, but was careful to budget for a surplus. To borrow a turn of phrase, we were led by Disraeli, our predecessors knew Disraeli, Disraeli's beliefs were Conservative through and through, and, Ed Miliband, you are no Disraeli."

In 1872, Disraeli spoke out in favour of helping "the condition of working men", of government intervention to do so and of taking action - controversial at the time - to heal the divide between rich and poor.

His brand of Toryism became known as "One Nation".

Prime Minister David Cameron is expected to use his keynote conference speech on Wednesday to mount a sustained attack on Mr Miliband's Labour Party, although it is not known if he will directly address the opposition leader's attempt to cast himself as the new Disraeli.

Conservative Party Chairman Grant Shapps has, meanwhile, attempted to fire up activists by telling them "the election starts here".

A countdown clock, which also hangs on the wall of Conservative campaign headquarters, appeared behind him, spelling out that it is 942 days until the next election, expected in 2015.

Mr Shapps said the Conservatives had to get better at talking up what they have achieved.

"Why are we the shy Tories?" he asked. "We have got to get out there and tell them, " he said. "Let's get out there and fight our corner."

Mr Shapps pointed to his own experience in the 2005 election in Welwyn Hatfield, where he turned a 5, 000 Labour majority into a 17, 000 Conservative one, to emphasise that there should be very few places that Tories regard as no-go areas.


edited 8th Oct '12 5:19:45 AM by Greenmantle

 5484 Michael, Mon, 8th Oct '12 6:53:45 AM Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
So that's what this does
More workers' cooperatives is an interesting idea.

Who the hell drinks liquid nitrogen?
Balance - the original sixth sense.
 5485 The Bat Pencil, Mon, 8th Oct '12 7:26:44 AM from Glasgow, Scotland Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
You have a perfect excuse for being late. Chill.

Indeed. You can just say you were mugged by George Osborne.

"Look, Gideon; urban classes on their way to state-funded education! Oh how droll! A-hoy, pleb! I say, pleb! You have learned how to speak correct English, have you not? Well, good news dear boy! We shall be taking money from your legions of younger and almost-certainly illegitimate ASBO-weilding siblings! Your many fathers shall be giving up their employment rights in exchange for shares worth less than their minimum wage earnings, your grandmother shall have no heating money in the winter and I shan't be paying an extra penny on my 2m house! Oh, damnit Clegg we're late - you shall carry me there boy! Giddy up now, there's a boy! Jolly boating weather, and a hay harvest breeze..!"

edited 8th Oct '12 7:33:28 AM by TheBatPencil

And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
 5486 Greenmantle, Mon, 8th Oct '12 7:35:04 AM from Britannia Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
"Per ardua ad astra"
^

Your many fathers shall be giving up their employment rights in exchange for shares worth less than their minimum wage earnings.

You do know where they got the idea from, don't you?*

edited 8th Oct '12 7:38:57 AM by Greenmantle

 5487 The Bat Pencil, Mon, 8th Oct '12 7:46:13 AM from Glasgow, Scotland Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
The concept itself is alright, but the problem is they obviously see it as a way for big businesses to save money by skirting around silly things like "workers rights". It's the brainchild of a bunch of Victorian romanticists.
And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
 5488 Greenmantle, Mon, 8th Oct '12 7:51:13 AM from Britannia Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
"Per ardua ad astra"
It's the brainchild of a bunch of Victorian romanticists.

Is that your definition of "One nation conservatism", I wonder?
[up][up] "Yes, it will work but God forbid, it was also please the enemy".
Don't just tell us the facts; tell us the memes, tell us the archetypes, tell us the catchy ideas and symbolic roles that get planted in pe
 5490 The Bat Pencil, Mon, 8th Oct '12 8:39:17 AM from Glasgow, Scotland Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
[up] Work for who, exactly?

"Take these token shares in exchange for some employment rights or leave and go on benef- oh, no, can't do that anymore! The lads in the Cabinet Office have done you up nice and proper, haven't they? Oh, and at some point you're going to be made redundant and get no redundancy money so you better hope those shares are worth something when the time comes, which is pretty unlikely if you're being made redundant in the first place."

See what I mean about "Victorian"?

edited 8th Oct '12 8:50:32 AM by TheBatPencil

And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
 5491 Michael, Mon, 8th Oct '12 10:07:36 AM Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
So that's what this does
[up]You never could just leave work and go on benefits.
Balance - the original sixth sense.
 5492 Greenmantle, Mon, 8th Oct '12 1:00:24 PM from Britannia Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
"Per ardua ad astra"
[up]

Since you left of your own accord, you're less likely to get benefits.

@Bat Pencil:
See what I mean about "Victorian"?

Victoriana is back in vogue, it appears; "One Nation" Politics, a wide wealth disparity, Britain in Afghanistan and a young, reinvigorated nation making a splash out in the Far East — sounds familiar, doesn't it?

edited 8th Oct '12 1:00:46 PM by Greenmantle

 5493 Inhopelessguy, Mon, 8th Oct '12 1:41:22 PM from Birmingham/Coventry, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
Part of the LIGHTS Army
have learned how to speak correct English

Bloooodren, I knows t'lingo? When a man's a ting, he's a ting, yeh? Ain' no poshboy gon' tell me wat tah do wiv mah educashuun, inni dou'?

I love you more than you hate your periods.

 5494 Greenmantle, Mon, 8th Oct '12 1:43:13 PM from Britannia Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
"Per ardua ad astra"
^ My Real Life reaction:

"Eh?"
 5495 Inhopelessguy, Mon, 8th Oct '12 1:51:23 PM from Birmingham/Coventry, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Less than three
Part of the LIGHTS Army
"My good chap, I do believe that I understand the vernacular of our people! What one says he is, one must be what one says he is, if you understand my statement. I am counter to the idea that an affluent person of higher socioeconomic status be addressing me in such a manner that details how one should progress and utilise the scholarly information gained."

I love you more than you hate your periods.

 5496 Tam H 70, Tue, 9th Oct '12 2:27:10 AM from 合計虐殺 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
I understood every bit of that. Comes with having a little brother (32 now, hehe) who was far far more into Rap and Hip-Hop than I was, and picked up on the lingo of both the American and Urban British exponents of that kind of music.

I don't write in that dialect though, as the spelling is a bit harder to do than Standard English.
Euo will do!
It's a dialect? <honestly confused> I understood it. <blinks> Which is more than I can say for seriously broad Geordie. And, I live in flipping Wallsend! [lol]

edited 9th Oct '12 2:29:17 AM by Euodiachloris

"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
 5498 Tam H 70, Tue, 9th Oct '12 2:46:16 AM from 合計虐殺 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
[up]Yep. It's a dialect. Our equivalent of the French Academy^ (if we had one) would spit blood rather than admit it but it is a dialect. Sort of like the kind of cultural mingling of language that you get in the areas in the United States where Hispanic and Anglo people meet and greet, and where everyone calls each other Holmes or cholo.

^and yeah, I know it is known by its French name. Don't give a monkey's tbbh.
Euo will do!
A cant or argot is not the same as a dialect, though... Whoopsie: going off topic.

David Cameron vs IMF... not sure who's winning. tongue
"When all else failed, she tried being reasonable." ~ Pratchett, Johnny and the Bomb
 5500 Tam H 70, Tue, 9th Oct '12 3:24:26 AM from 合計虐殺 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
[up]How do all dialects start? Cant or argot. Every single one of them. Regional and local differences for the win. Which is why there is no one single Chinese language, as the Central Committee would probably like, instead they have Cantonese, Mandarin, Hakka, Yue, Dungan and lots of others.

Meanwhile, more on topic, Boris Johnson is speaking at the Conservative party conference. He is a bit more presentable in his speech so far than that pair of fannies, CMD and Osborne.
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