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 3677 pagad, Sat, 31st Mar '12 10:13:29 AM from perfidious Albion Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Sneering Imperialist
It's also very fucking dangerous, as that woman in York discovered.
 3678 The Bat Pencil, Sat, 31st Mar '12 10:46:45 AM from Glasgow, Scotland Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
And I just realised that it'd be pretty good business to stock up on fuel and sell it during the strike.
I couldn't possibly comment.
 3679 Best Of, Sat, 31st Mar '12 10:47:48 AM from Finland Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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[up][up][up]How can it be legal to have two containers of 10 litres each and two containers of 5 litres each, but not three containers of 10 litres?

edited 31st Mar '12 10:48:01 AM by BestOf

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I'm gonna say that its either a fire risk to have 3 x 10 litre cans or its a quirk of British law
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 3681 Best Of, Sat, 31st Mar '12 10:59:30 AM from Finland Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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In any case, I'd like to say that sounds really stupid.

I bet there's some bureaucrat somewhere who, every night when lying in bed, just before going to sleep, congratulates themself for that.
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I found it

The law from THE PETROLEUM-SPIRIT (MOTOR VEHICLES, &C.) REGULATIONS, 1929 says that you can only store the imperial equivalent of 20 litres in 2x10 litre metal containers

The Petroleum-Spirit (Plastic Containers) Regulations 1982 states that can you only store petrol in 2x5 litre plastic containers.

But the law hasn't really needed to be changed because people probably forgot about it and people didn't even notice there was such a law.

edited 31st Mar '12 11:09:55 AM by whaleofyournightmare

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Euo will do!
I love this quirk of British Law. Yes, it's not that efficient, but the latent history lessons are fun! grin
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 3684 The Bat Pencil, Sat, 31st Mar '12 2:12:13 PM from Glasgow, Scotland Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
Tories need to be seen to back the Union even if they don't believe in it, according to Peter Cruddas

As if Scottish Conservatism wasn't dead enough already...

Meanwhile, Labour have lost their majority in Midlothian Council after another councillor left the party. According to the Labour MSP for Midlothian North and Musselburgh, Colin Beattie, Labour is "falling apart all over Scotland" and "isn't clear on anything except their support for the Tories in their anti-independence scaremongering."

edited 31st Mar '12 2:12:44 PM by TheBatPencil

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Decemberist
Thats interesting
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 3686 pagad, Sat, 31st Mar '12 2:22:45 PM from perfidious Albion Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Sneering Imperialist
Interesting and depressing as fuck
 3687 The Bat Pencil, Sat, 31st Mar '12 2:50:07 PM from Glasgow, Scotland Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
Scottish Labour really is a mess. They (along with the Tories and Lib Dems, although they barely even count anymore) give the impression of being nothing more than a bunch of small-time city councillors. I liked Jack Mc Connell and I imagine that I would have liked Donald Dewar (who was a bit before my time) but since then it's all been downhill for them. They don't inspire much confidence and have nothing positive to say at all.

Salmond is quite the opposite of this and I do like the cut of the mans gib (as much as I don't like politicians in general).
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 3688 Octo, Sat, 31st Mar '12 2:55:31 PM from Germany
Prince of Dorne
How can it be legal to have two containers of 10 litres each and two containers of 5 litres each, but not three containers of 10 litres?
I'd assume that's illegal, too: If you have three containers of the same size that means you have two containers of the same size. Mathematics!tongue
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I don't like Salmond because I am a Unionist but I can admire the man's manipulative skills of getting exactly what he wants. Hes also got the Pro-Union parties dancing to his tune and I'm not sure he wants independence but devo-max.

edit:

I bet there's some bureaucrat somewhere who, every night when lying in bed, just before going to sleep, congratulates themself for that

I'm sure that the bureaucrats who came up with both of those are dead

edited 31st Mar '12 2:58:32 PM by whaleofyournightmare

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 3690 pagad, Sat, 31st Mar '12 2:58:07 PM from perfidious Albion Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Sneering Imperialist
Salmond is quite the opposite of this

Really? I'm fully willing to admit I have my own prejudices that might be unfavourably colouring the man, but to me he's never come off as anything other than arrogant, smug, blustering, confrontational and Anglophobic. About all I'm willing to give him is that he's very skilled at spinning situations to his advantage.

edited 31st Mar '12 3:00:00 PM by pagad

 3691 Greenmantle, Sat, 31st Mar '12 2:59:09 PM from Thornycroft-land Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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@ Bat Pencil:

So basically, Scotland is on the way to a one-party State?


The law from THE PETROLEUM-SPIRIT (MOTOR VEHICLES, &C.) REGULATIONS, 1929 says that you can only store the imperial equivalent of 20 litres in 2x10 litre metal containers.

Here are the Petroleum Spirit (Motor Vehicles etc.) Regulations 1929 — this was in the days before the Jerry Can, back when Petrol and Oil (Diesel) was stored in flimsy metal containers, and back when you'd probably need to carry a can for a long journey, especially in rural areas.

On another note, if you want to know why the Buses, Trains and Haulage industries are as they are, you'd better look around this period — these were the times when the roots of the current transport industry were laid.

edited 31st Mar '12 3:03:42 PM by Greenmantle

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 3692 The Bat Pencil, Sat, 31st Mar '12 3:32:59 PM from Glasgow, Scotland Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
So basically, Scotland is on the way to a one-party State?

Well, that's rather disingenuous. The Westminster groups suck up all the senior figures and leave the Scottish parties with much of the baggage of their failures.

Really? I'm fully willing to admit I have my own prejudices that might be unfavourably colouring the man, but to me he's never come off as anything other than arrogant, smug, blustering, confrontational and Anglophobic. About all I'm willing to give him is that he's very skilled at spinning situations to his advantage.

While he's certainly a smug git, he's certainly not Anglophobic. Christ, in terms of straight numbers he's probably got more supporters in England than he does in Scotland. Actually I'd go as far as to claim that he's the most popular politician in Britain. Certainly the only one out there making a real go at standing up against Westminster and for the idea of an inclusive, egalitarian Scotland.

edited 31st Mar '12 3:33:26 PM by TheBatPencil

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 3693 pagad, Sat, 31st Mar '12 3:40:50 PM from perfidious Albion Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Sneering Imperialist
he's certainly not Anglophobic.

I dunno, I sometimes get the impression that he blames England for all Scotland's ills. I may well be mistaken on this.
 3694 The Bat Pencil, Sat, 31st Mar '12 3:41:53 PM from Glasgow, Scotland Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
Blames Westminster, sure.

That's not the same as blaming England.
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 3695 Caissas Death Angel, Sat, 31st Mar '12 7:18:36 PM from Dumfries, SW Scotland Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
I'm with TBP here, Salmond greatly dislikes Westminster, but be very very careful of taking that to extend to the entire country and its people.

Salmond is well liked here even by Unionists because he's proven an effective leader of the country - not all SNP voters actually support independence.
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 3696 Inhopelessguy, Sun, 1st Apr '12 5:35:49 AM from Birmingham, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
Psych Lad
Well, not only would Scotland become a dominant-party state; so would the Westminister-without-Scotland Parliament.

Hmmm...

Cameron seems to win in both cases.

UNION: Cameron is seen as PM that kept Great Britain and Northern Ireland, as GB & NI.

INDEPENDENCE: Cameron gets renegotiation of EU treaties (oh, heck) and may lead to Westminister becoming a dominant-party state of Tories.

Step into your skin?

I'd rather jump into your bones.

[up] That's my main reason for not wanting Scottish independence. I actually think they might be better off independent, but it would screw English politics so badly (from my perspective) for generations. Tories forever. Ew.

I might just have to move north of the Border permanently if that happened...

edited 1st Apr '12 6:03:37 AM by CottonWolf

 3698 Inhopelessguy, Sun, 1st Apr '12 6:00:57 AM from Birmingham, Greater Europe Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
Psych Lad
Of course, there are many other issues related to independence, such as British identity.

It may seem trivial, but for many people of our nation-state, indendepence would see them lack a tangible identity.

For example, I do not feel English. I feel British. I feel European. I feel Brummie. But English? I don't feel it that strongly. There's not an 'Englishness' per se in the way that there's a 'Britishness' or a "Welshness' or a 'Scottishness'. (The 'Europeaness' possibly stems from the fact that I like the EU, but that's another topic).

Step into your skin?

I'd rather jump into your bones.

 3699 Deadbeatloser 22, Sun, 1st Apr '12 6:03:29 AM from A cat basket over there. Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
The Butterfly on your Shoulder.
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Oh, for crying out loud.
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From the very parties that complained so vehemently when Labour tried it, no less.

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