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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 3rd 2023 at 11:15:30 AM
I would play the religion card, but considering that I'm pretty pro-gay marriage, it doesn't work as well. 
But anyway, it's still quite remarkable that 100 Tories will not toe the party line on this issue. And I wonder what other religious leaders think? I mean, we've not heard from the Muslim or Jewish leaders on the issue.
Hopefully, this won't be shot down. It can't be. There is too much support from the public and both Houses themselves.
Ugh will it never end.
“This pattern is, of course, affirmed by many other religious traditions — understood as a lifelong commitment between a man and a woman, and for the creation and upbringing of children, marriage is an expression of our fundamental humanity.”
All I take from this is; "blah blah tired old homophobic rhetoric blah blah blah you queers are beneath us blah blah blah."
edited 6th Mar '12 11:38:51 AM by PiccoloNo92
Oddly enough I think that a lot of big religious figures are on board with all this. The Archbishop of Canterbury always come across as having the right idea about stuff.
And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
Decemberist
Rowan Williams is against it because he doesn't want a schism in the Anglican world
Dutch Lesbian
@ Piccy. Lovely.
@ Batcil. Hmmm... I seem to get the impression that either Muslim leaders are indifferent or not very happy with this idea, considering what they've said to the Scottish Executive.
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But... doesn't that cause a schism... anyway?
edited 6th Mar '12 11:40:10 AM by Inhopelessguy
Really? Oh well.
And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
Decemberist
IHG, It would, the Anglican church is being held together by some pretty thin threads man
Dutch Lesbian
I just want this whole debate out of the way really and the law to be passed. It is getting rather tiring.
Though watching the church tear its self apart is rather amusing.
Well, we have between 1-3 years till it passes.
So, either it does the Amazon.co.uk thing where it passes before you requested, or the ebay.co.uk thing where it come after you requested it.
Sneering Imperialist
Rowan Williams is in the very unfortunate position of having to balance the liberal and traditionalist elements of the Church. I do not envy him, but nor do I have much sympathy for his relentless fence-sitting.
edited 6th Mar '12 12:25:05 PM by pagad
With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars.
Fence-sitting is one of the only tools he can use to keep things semi-civilised at the moment. Don't knock a good fence-sitter: they have good co-ordination, reflexes and balance just to stay on those things. 
EDIT: Oh, and a thick hide. Fence-sitting usually gets you splinters...
edited 6th Mar '12 2:51:34 PM by Euodiachloris
So many ups...
But yeah, I'm now kinda wanting to go to mass this Sunday, just to see what my local priest's reaction to this is. He tends to be fairly liberal (and has a sense of humour, as strange as it might seem), and given the Pope has yet to invoke Infallibility - and he's personally stated he never will - he's free to personally decide whether or not he disagrees with it.
edited 7th Mar '12 2:06:01 AM by Mechanut
Come on now, ten uppity arrows? Is that not overdoing it?
Use the quotetags.
edited 7th Mar '12 2:08:34 AM by TheBatPencil
And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
Duly noted.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17276978 And behold, overspending on a scheme intended to save money.
edited 7th Mar '12 2:54:59 AM by Mechanut
Do Not Go Gentle
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17282903
Fuck.
It's your God, they're your rules, you go to hell." - Mark Twain
This comes as a surprise how? Honestly: Silly Bunny... government departments expressly constructed to do something never do it the way they're supposed to.
Call me a cynic, and I'll just maintain I'm a realist. Read that article again, and see.
edited 10th Mar '12 3:52:36 AM by TheBatPencil
And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
V
That's a bit slow — there's already a Drought Alert on here...
Keep Rolling On
The Shadows Devour You.
Why use trains to transport the water? Wouldn't using pipes to pipe the water down from Scotland make more sense? (I would've thought the Lake District and the rest of North England would do fine for that.)
EDIT: Having read the article, canals seems to be a logical method; but getting the water to flow down from Scotland to Southern England naturally sounds like a nightmare given the interceding geography. Cheap once its constructed though.
edited 10th Mar '12 8:26:10 AM by GameChainsaw
The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
V
I don't think there are canals that cross the Scottish Border — below that, isn't there a ready-built canal network?
Keep Rolling On
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
Extending the high speed rail network to Scotland would have other benefits, of course, since it could be used for passenger and freight transport.
Canals are being suggested by Boris Johnson, but I assume that would require new ones being built.
My name is Addy. Please call me that instead of my username.
it's not the trains, it's pipelines that follow alongside the train track.
V
Couldn't that be done now — pipes alongside the sections of the ECML and the WCML — at least in the Scottish Borders?
Keep Rolling On
Sneering Imperialist
I thought that the planned end result of HS 2 would be a high-speed rail link between Edinburgh and London, although that's obviously a very long term goal.
With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars.
Its got too many M Ps supporting it, plus unlike America, no party can run on a platform removing it if they want to be elected
Dutch Lesbian