Think of the mooks!
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If it was merely a problem of the uninformed whining when they didn't RTFM, I'd have a similar lack of sympathy.
But I doubt that we'd be having this conversation in the first place if all we were dealing with were a few bruised egos from people posting inappropriate stuff.
Maybe a redirect, similar to trying to edit if you haven't gone through the Get Known process, that always shows the rules before someone tries to add an entry to Troper Tales, could work. The upside is that we would literally be shoving the rules in their face, and they couldn't help but actually read them. Moreover, the extra step required may discourage some of the less-appropriate posters.
Of course, the downside is that there will inevitably be complaining about the extra step, and there's no proof that it'll actually work.
Hmm... do I always have to defeat my own arguments, or am I just trying to be fair to all sides? Trying to help the wiki - lot harder than it sounds.
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contessa di cavatappi
Troper Tales always seemed to me like more of a compromise or "extra" than a necessity. If discouraging measures are taken and people complain, well... there are probably more effective methods of discussion, like on the forum! It might be annoying and it might deter people from posting to TT, but on a whole, what's the loss?
Gotta trope, dood!
Just had a thought. It's too late for Troper Tales, since it's changing over to a new system, but what if we had different sets of tips for the different subpages. Like have one for Crowning Moment Of Awesome that says "Remember, it's Crowning MOMENT of Awesome. 'Everything Bob does' is not a moment."
They lost me. Forgot me. Made you from parts of me. If you're the One, my father's son, what am I supposed to be?
Lost in Space
Give each subpage namespace a banner enumerating the rules for that particular page type? Not a bad idea at all.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Gotta trope, dood!
Not necessarily a banner, just tips on the edit page, like with Main/. Unless that's what you meant too, in which case, disregard.
They lost me. Forgot me. Made you from parts of me. If you're the One, my father's son, what am I supposed to be?
Zzzzzzzzzz
Ah, you mean that the edit page would look at the namespace or type of page and pull the tip it displays from a list tailored to that type of page? That could work, if it's not too complicated to implement.
edited 2nd Jun '11 1:35:35 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Not that tough. I'm not too excited about it, though. I get a real strong sense people just filter those out of view.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Think of the mooks!
If it matters, they do remind me at times to cut back on spoiler tag usage and overuse of adverbs.
Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.
TURN OFF THAT LIGHT!
Well, they didn't back when they were new, but now I'd doubt anyone would notice the difference. Banners are better.
edited 2nd Jun '11 2:00:48 PM by Killomatic
Regulated fun - the best kind! I don't make the rules, just enforce them with an iron fist.
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
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And good thing, too, because I was going to take some crystal meth, but changed my mind when I found out I wouldn't be able to post about it in Troper Tales.
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Just in case you were wondering, Hershel. When I see a post having a bunch of quoteblocks with individual responses, I just skip it.
edited 3rd Jun '11 7:48:53 AM by FastEddie
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Diva of Virtual Death
Um? Why? That's the universally correct way to quote multiple people according to standard Net etiquette.
I think what Eddie is saying is that you should refrain from addressing a bunch of people in one post like that.
TURN OFF THAT LIGHT!
It's also a universal way to invoke Too Long Didn't Read on yourself. 
edited 4th Jun '11 8:05:12 AM by Killomatic
Regulated fun - the best kind! I don't make the rules, just enforce them with an iron fist.
Diva of Virtual Death
Except there's nothing wrong with that. Unless you're saying it's more standard here to make double/triple/etc. posts, each responding to a different person. (That's usually frowned upon, though, on the general net, which is why people are trained to quote multiple posts instead.)
edited 4th Jun '11 8:06:36 AM by Jeysie
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What is wrong with:
@ Troper A:
@ Troper B:
@ Troper C:
?
Diva of Virtual Death
Because then anyone reading has no context at all for the replies without having to go and look up all the posts.
Depending on where the posts are in the thread, this can go from "Not an issue" to "really confusing". Especially when you have a post like Hershele's where the posts they were responding to are on multiple previous pages.
Sorry to make a big fuss, but it's kind of, I'm a little put off at possibly having my posts ignored just for doing what's standard rules on almost every other forum elsewhere.
edited 4th Jun '11 8:17:22 AM by Jeysie
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That format is the universally recognized format for troll-at-work, you mean.
Just say what you have to say. No need to tell people what they said.
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Diva of Virtual Death
Um... that's the universally recognized format for normal, everyday posters. Seriously, every single forum I've ever been on that's not Slashdot/Live Journal-style formatted, that's standard procedure.
edited 4th Jun '11 8:27:19 AM by Jeysie
Apparently I am adorable, but my GF is my #1 Groupie. (Avatar by Dreki-K)
Nope. It is the most annoying thing you can do on any forum board in the world. It is just that no one told you before.
Here, read this post
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edited 4th Jun '11 8:30:33 AM by FastEddie
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No longer a forum herald
I'd agree it's certainly not the most efficient way to go about addressing multiple posts.
I wouldn't say it's a certified mark of a troll, however. As this wiki shows, lots of people tend to follow precedent when it comes to figuring out how to do stuff online, so it's easy to see why someone would view it as standard.
I certainly wouldn't skip a post because it has a format I dislike or find annoying. No offense, but that's a bit on the rude side.
This is a minor issue, though. Can we get back to stuff that takes higher priority?
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
Diva of Virtual Death
Um. Again:
I agree that quoting the post just above you can get silly, but otherwise, that's normal forum flow elsewhere.
But, if you don't like that being done here, then you're going to have to tell me the correct way to respond to multiple people here.
edited 4th Jun '11 8:35:05 AM by Jeysie
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Could you give an example or two with the quote button used in a non-troll context. Maybe links?
The only non-troll context I had seen the quote been used several times was at Mafia Scum. Because of the nature of the game Mafia, a lot of analysis is needed.
But anywhere else, it implies that the poster is either Serious Business about the topic, or a troll.
edited 4th Jun '11 8:35:23 AM by chihuahua0
Diva of Virtual Death
http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=63115&view=findpost&p=1841783 http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=61828&view=findpost&p=1758377 http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=79307&view=findpost&p=1841975
And heck, in at least one of those posts, it's even a forum mod doing it.
(Picked more or less at random, since it's literally universal. And that's just one forum.)
edited 4th Jun '11 8:45:46 AM by Jeysie
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edited 2nd Jun '11 8:37:40 AM by Fighteer
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