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Man of Steel. Nolan Superman Reboot.:

 551 maxwellelvis, Fri, 14th Dec '12 7:28:41 AM from undisclosed location Relationship Status: In my bunk
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[up]They're all dicks.
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 552 johnnyfog, Fri, 14th Dec '12 7:49:04 AM from NYC Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
All fathers are abusive! Iron law of movies.
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 553 fakeangelbr, Fri, 14th Dec '12 7:49:48 AM from Fortaleza, Brazil
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This isn't a instance of a father been abusive, though, just over-protective.
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 554 Nohbody, Fri, 14th Dec '12 8:19:38 AM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
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Shadow Scythe: Superman's dad is a dick.

So, "like father, like son"? tongue

edited 14th Dec '12 8:19:53 AM by Nohbody

 555 kalel 94, Fri, 14th Dec '12 8:50:03 AM from Dragonstone
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I think the sequel should be titled "Superdickery" and should be an hour and a half of nothing but Superman making Lois and Jimmy's lives hell.
The last hurrah? Nah, I'd do it again.
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Uncle Ben isn't a dick, but I guess he's not technically Peter's father.

edited 14th Dec '12 9:05:26 AM by Scardoll

 557 kalel 94, Fri, 14th Dec '12 9:31:53 AM from Dragonstone
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Richard Parker, on the other hand, is a Russian spy, or so I've heard...
The last hurrah? Nah, I'd do it again.
It's the trailer, and regardless I could tell from the tone in his voice that it was merely an option and not actually encouraging him to let people die. The same basic idea was present in the '78 movie, although not so bluntly expressed, where he said they were worried of how Clark would be received and as he grew older came to realize he had a much greater destiny than scoring touchdowns.

 559 johnnyfog, Fri, 14th Dec '12 1:31:44 PM from NYC Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Every other line for Pa Kent on Smallville was, "You gotta be careful son"
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 560 Corr Terek, Fri, 14th Dec '12 2:22:09 PM from The Bland Line
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[up][up]Call me crazy, but I'm not so sure that Superman's dad should be presenting "Let children die rather than reveal your powers" as an option.

And yeah, I know it's pretty likely that that's not how that discussion actually plays out. But it's pretty obvious that the marketing people want us to think that's how it plays out, and I just gotta ask "Why?"
 561 Canid 117, Fri, 14th Dec '12 2:24:56 PM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
A better choice of words than "Maybe" would have been "I don't know" I feel. At the end of the day this is just a simple farmer out of his depth.
"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
Well that's what I was saying, the "...maybe" sounded very sad and forlorn. Like he was realizing himself the consequences of Clark hiding who he was.

 563 johnnyfog, Fri, 14th Dec '12 3:07:35 PM from NYC Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Let's step back for a moment. Jonathan knows that Clark has a capacity to aid anyone on the planet. Maybe even a moral imperative to do so. Twenty-four hours a day. Does he want to impart Clark with that kind of burden?

Even so, I'm amused at Pa sounding like Harry from Dexter. [lol]
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 564 Corr Terek, Fri, 14th Dec '12 3:12:55 PM from The Bland Line
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[up]I'm not saying that. I was just a little taken aback by that particular dialogue and wanted to know if it struck anyone else as odd.
 565 Achaemenid, Fri, 14th Dec '12 3:51:37 PM from Amager Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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Of course. They want you to be taken aback by it! evil grin Now you are curious, and thus more likely to see the movie.
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 566 fakeangelbr, Fri, 14th Dec '12 3:52:26 PM from Fortaleza, Brazil
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They sold this movie to me with the flight scene, not this ambiguous dialogue.
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 567 Corr Terek, Fri, 14th Dec '12 3:54:40 PM from The Bland Line
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[up][up]Quite the opposite, actually. I don't like morally-ambiguous Superman. If that turns out to be where this film is going, I'll be much less likely to watch it.
If that was the goal of the dialogue, it kinda worked on me. Not in the "Is Pa Kent going to be a heartless jerk or just a concerned parent" way, but as a way of showing that even as a child Clark/Superman is someone who would do the right thing. The fact that such a conversation and an uncertain "maybe" needs to take place and be said is interesting.

[up]The way I saw it was that Superman himself won't be morally ambiguous, it's others that may be.

edited 14th Dec '12 4:00:12 PM by stingerbrg

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 569 Corr Terek, Fri, 14th Dec '12 4:03:50 PM from The Bland Line
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[up]A friend and I were talking about this earlier today. It's unnerving to me because, well, these are the people who raised Clark. The trailer almost seems to imply that Clark becomes Superman (and thus the "ideal" hero) not because of his upbringing, but in spite of it.

Don't misunderstand me — I'm not getting horribly worked up over this. I'm just trying to explain why that particular bit of dialogue was unsettling for me. I'm much more comfortable with a Pa Kent who would tell his son "Do the right thing, even if it causes trouble for you personally." And who knows? He may actually do that.

edited 14th Dec '12 4:05:27 PM by CorrTerek

 570 kalel 94, Fri, 14th Dec '12 6:05:37 PM from Dragonstone
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My guess is he says something like that in an moment and bewilderment and hopelessness in dealing with this new situation, and later tells Clark he was wrong to consider it. At least I hope that's what it'll be
The last hurrah? Nah, I'd do it again.
 571 cutewithoutthe, Fri, 14th Dec '12 7:44:30 PM Relationship Status: Star-crossed
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Seriously, you're not picking up on the tone of voice Pa Kent uses? That's what sells it. I especially like that part; he's torn with the morality that Clark will have to face now, and with his love for Clark. He's basically not sure what to do about it. And who would?

edited 14th Dec '12 7:44:45 PM by cutewithoutthe

 572 Corr Terek, Fri, 14th Dec '12 8:19:58 PM from The Bland Line
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[up]I have seen the trailer one time. This wasn't exactly high on my list of movies to watch in the first place, so I didn't see a reason to watch it again. If there are any special inflections in Pa Kent's voice I probably missed them.

I'm not leveling this as some sort of major criticism against the movie. It's only one trailer, after all. I'm just commenting on something I didn't expect, given my (admittedly sketchy) understanding of Superman and his origins.
 573 johnnyfog, Fri, 14th Dec '12 10:27:43 PM from NYC Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
The trailer almost seems to imply that Clark becomes Superman (and thus the "ideal" hero) not because of his upbringing, but in spite of it.

See, that I'm concerned about. After all, Pa Kent's theme music in the original was an obvious nod to Superman's theme later in the movie.

But it's still too early to judge. Thus far everything I've been calling for in Superman movies for the past five years is on the horizon. All that's missing in Zooey Deschanel as Lois.
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 574 cutewithoutthe, Fri, 14th Dec '12 11:00:19 PM Relationship Status: Star-crossed
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Holy crap Zooey Deschanel would be fucking perfect as her, or at least looks-wise. She tends to play more ditzy characters, instead of the more grounded type of girl Lois seems to be, so if she were to play Lois she would have to mix it up a little; which would be fun to see.

 575 Known Unknown, Fri, 14th Dec '12 11:43:06 PM from Here. There. Everywhere.
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Well, they could always go Silver Age if they wanted a ditzy Lois. Not that that's a good idea.

edited 14th Dec '12 11:43:20 PM by KnownUnknown

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