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Series/Star Wars the Clone Wars, Star Wars: Rebels:

 51 Agent Cain, Sun, 20th Nov '11 8:11:06 PM from All the way from Fargo
Agent Cain
Trying to get all the clones killed, turn the tide of the war for Count Dokuu so he can become his apprentice.

Sounds pretty evil to me.
If you don't understand it with a wink, you certainly will with a blow.
"they just made him completely evil for the fun of it"

I don't see how that qualifies him as making him evil "for the fun of it".

edited 21st Nov '11 1:50:09 AM by SpaceJawa

 53 Agent Cain, Mon, 21st Nov '11 5:45:01 PM from All the way from Fargo
Agent Cain
Think about it. They used the same motiff of a Jedi turning on the republic for power for ever its cliche. Why couldn't he do anothe reason like forseeing the clones, in a premonition, were destined to kill the Jedi (order 66) and he took preventive measures to discredit them so the jedi wouldn't be so dependent on the clones.
If you don't understand it with a wink, you certainly will with a blow.
 54 qtjinla 15, Tue, 22nd Nov '11 9:27:18 AM from Los Angeles
Hhm, an intelligent and original way about going things. I LIKE IT!

 55 Joesolo, Wed, 23rd Nov '11 2:59:12 PM Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
Well, The explination is that they couldn't sense it because the clones didn't feel it was betrayal. Which, as the clones wars goes on, feels less and less likely.
I am going to shove the sunshine so far up where the sun don't shine that you will vomit nothing but warm summer days -Belkar
 56 qtjinla 15, Wed, 23rd Nov '11 4:47:05 PM from Los Angeles
Yes! And with reasons as well!

This whole series tramples on even what little I know of star wars canon. Everything we've seen in this show makes it seem like the clones would NEVER have carried out order 66. It's like in trying to develop the clones and make us like them (a noble effort) they forgot that we already know how things HAVE to end for all of these guys.

Don't get me wrong I enjoy the show, I just think I might not be if I were a bigger fan of the greater Star Wars universe.

That whole arc with the general being corrupt I saw coming after the talk of his casualty numbers. I just wish they had gone with the foreseeing the order 66.

edited 26th Nov '11 8:24:38 PM by windweaver

 58 Joesolo, Sat, 26th Nov '11 10:24:51 PM Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
I've heard The Clones wars has basically stamped sevral books out of the Canon because it's a level higher then them. That russian-sounding jedi midget that was captured on the lava planet last season? He had this whole big part in a series set in the early empire. Now hes dead so he never did that, killing a popular book's status.

Unless he Got better from his lava-burial, and death from the Giant-dagger jawed dog thing.
I am going to shove the sunshine so far up where the sun don't shine that you will vomit nothing but warm summer days -Belkar
It's only a level higher because Lucas has a weird thing for Ashoka I heard.
 60 Joesolo, Sun, 27th Nov '11 12:22:01 AM Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
No, Canon has a set system. It goes something like this.

Whatever Lucas says, Films, Tv shows, comics, books, games, Fan Wanks.

EDIT- heres how it works, found an article.

Canon in the Holocron continuity databaseEdit In 2000, Lucas Licensing appointed Leland Chee to create a continuity-tracking database referred to as the Holocron continuity database. The Holocron follows the canon policy that has been in effect for years, but the capabilities of database software allow for each element of a story, rather than the stories themselves, to be classified on their own merits. The Holocron's database includes an area for a single-letter (G, T, C, S or N) representing the level of canonicity of that element; these letters have since informally been applied to the levels of canon themselves: G-canon, T-canon, C-canon, S-canon and N-canon. As part of his work with the Holocron, Chee was responsible for the creation of this classification, and he spent the early stages developing and refining them into what they are today.

G, T, C and S together form the overall Star Wars continuity. Each ascending level typically overrides the lower ones; for example, Boba Fett's back story was radically altered with the release of Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones, forcing the retcon of older source material to fall in line with the new G-canon back story. However, this is not always absolute, and the resolution of all contradictions are handled on a case-by-case basis.

G-canon is George Lucas Canon; the six Episodes and anything directly provided to Lucas Licensing by Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon. When the matter of changes between movie versions arises, the most recently released editions are deemed superior to older ones, as they correct mistakes, improve consistency between the two trilogies, and express Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely. The deleted scenes included on the DV Ds are also considered G-canon (when they're not in conflict with the movie).[1] T-canon, [2] or Television Canon[3], refers to the canon level comprising the feature film Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the two television shows Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the Star Wars live-action TV series.[4][5] It was devised recently in order to define a status above the C-Level canon, as confirmed by Chee[6]. C-canon is Continuity Canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. Games are a special case, as generally only the stories are C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not be;[7] they also offer non-canonical options to the player, such as choosing female gender for a canonically male character. C-canon elements have been known to appear in the movies, thus making them G-canon; examples include the name "Coruscant, " swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters and Action VI transports. S-canon is Secondary Canon; the materials are available to be used or ignored as needed by current authors. This includes mostly older works, such as much of the Marvel Star Wars comics, that predate a consistent effort to maintain continuity; it also contains certain elements of a few otherwise N-canon stories, and other things that "may not fit just right." Many formerly S-canon elements have been elevated to C-canon through their inclusion in more recent works by continuity-minded authors, while many other older works (such as The Han Solo Adventures) were accounted for in continuity from the start despite their age, and thus were always C-canon. N is Non-Canon. What-if stories (such as stories published under the Infinities label) and anything else directly and irreconcilably contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N is the only level that is not considered canon by Lucasfilm. Information cut from canon, deleted scenes, or from canceled Star Wars works falls into this category as well, unless another canonical work references it and it is declared canon.

edited 27th Nov '11 12:24:00 AM by Joesolo

I am going to shove the sunshine so far up where the sun don't shine that you will vomit nothing but warm summer days -Belkar
Canon in Star Wars has always been fairly fluid, but there has been such effort put into making it all fit together that fans have assumed the expanded universe is canon equal to the films. It's not, George Lucas has very little input into the EU and his movies are considered the primary canon, everything else has to fit within their narrative. The article referred to is here, from the Star Wars wiki. Because of Lucas' input on the series, it occupies a space in SW canon just below the movies but above the rest of the EU. So technically the only works the series has to abide by is the movies and is free to take inspiration from other sources.

The EU itself has several contradictions with other EU stories, but the series has blatantly used characters and stories of more recent EU productions and reinvisioned them however they want. The fans and writers of those stories have gotten upset that they've been so casual about changing their work and a few book series are apparently not going to be completed because of that.

 62 Joesolo, Sun, 27th Nov '11 5:32:17 PM Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
not to mention Boba Fett becomes a hell of alot more then a badass, uncaring mercenary. They do almost too much with random characters.

Like that guy that tries to sell obi-wan death sticks? Hes in several comics and books, where he recovers from his addiction because of the mind trick, then dives back just because one comic had him show up a few years later trying to sell to a character in a comic again.

edited 27th Nov '11 5:33:23 PM by Joesolo

I am going to shove the sunshine so far up where the sun don't shine that you will vomit nothing but warm summer days -Belkar
The Undefeated
@windweaver: This isn't the first time the clones have been given a kind viewpoint, and while I understand peoples' concerns about the clones, the series is still not done yet. We should see how this all plays out first. We've already seen strict clones like Wolffe and Appo.

And given that Krell saw the rise of the Empire through his premonitions, he could have seen Order 66 as well.

edited 14th Dec '11 5:46:12 PM by Stevron

Sony fan here.
See, this is the thing about the Clones: they really were friendly with the Jedi. They had no malice towards them. But they were very well conditioned so that when the order came, they would obey it, even if they had private regrets or misgivings.

As for The Clone Wars contradicting the EU: I can't say I care much. The EU has a lot of flaws, and a lot of parts that damn well should be eliminated.
 65 Joesolo, Wed, 14th Dec '11 7:56:28 PM Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
I would have liked to see some infighting between the clones over whether or not to follow it though. Even if it was just verbal.

I am going to shove the sunshine so far up where the sun don't shine that you will vomit nothing but warm summer days -Belkar
Read the novel Dark Lord. The start has a group of clones who violate Order 66.
The Undefeated
@Pulsar: It actually makes sense for the clones to be friendly to the Jedi because if they acted cold and distant prior to Order 66, then the Jedi would be more suspicious of them and possibly sense the impending betrayal before hand.

I also disagree with a lot of the lore that's in the EU. I'm actually in favor of the Mandalorian retcon because the prequel-era Mandalorians before were a mess. Although on the other hand, I disapprove of the retcon that destroyed the Rattataki race back in Season 3. I guess you could say that this whole retconning goes both ways.

That said, the current comic adaption is fine, but we need more clone-centric arcs like the Umbaran four-parter.

edited 15th Dec '11 6:48:07 PM by Stevron

Sony fan here.
 68 Known Unknown, Thu, 15th Dec '11 7:59:42 PM from Here. There. Everywhere.
Fresh For 2014
not to mention Boba Fett becomes a hell of alot more then a badass, uncaring mercenary

From what I know of the character in the EU, Boba wasn't exactly uncaring beforehand either. He had something of a warped but strong honor code. Or something like that. He tended to do lots of good, as well.
"My final prayer: O my body, always make me a man who questions!" — Frantz Fanon
 69 Joesolo, Thu, 15th Dec '11 9:17:29 PM Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Indiana Solo
And became the leader of mandalore.
I am going to shove the sunshine so far up where the sun don't shine that you will vomit nothing but warm summer days -Belkar
 70 Known Unknown, Thu, 15th Dec '11 10:11:42 PM from Here. There. Everywhere.
Fresh For 2014
Oh, I misread your post - I thought you were saying he was an uncaring mercenary. My bad.
"My final prayer: O my body, always make me a man who questions!" — Frantz Fanon
The Undefeated
@Joesolo: That's another reason why I like this is series: because they haven't made him into a Mandalorian. They even go as far as to have Pre Vizsla say that even his father, Jango Fett, wasn't a Mandalorian. This is a good thing because it distinguishes the Death Watch from the individualistic Mandalorian mercs Karen Traviss and Haden Blackman were aiming for. The Death Watch are more similar to the Mandalorians that fought in the Mandalorian Wars not only because of their brutality, but because of the fact that they're an actual army as opposed to mercenaries like Boba Fett. It serves to make Boba Fett himself unique, which is what Dave Filoni is aiming for, according to a behind-the-scenes interview.

Of course, we know that there's a jailbreak later in the season where Boba Fett escapes and he could very well join the Death Watch soon afterwards, but I hope they do not make him into a Mandalorian, mainly because Boba Fett is far more interesting as a bounty hunter. When Boba Fett became Mandalore in the post-ROTJ EU, it ruined him.

And if he ever does join the Death Watch and become a Mandalorian, it better be temporary.
Sony fan here.
The Undefeated

New preview for Season 4 is up. Looks like we'll be seeing both Embo and Cad Bane again soon. Hopefully, Lucas Film can advance the Death Watch storyline as well.

edited 10th Jan '12 7:21:02 PM by Stevron

Sony fan here.
 73 Chariot, Tue, 10th Jan '12 9:03:06 PM Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me

edited 10th Jan '12 9:37:29 PM by Chariot

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 74 terlwyth, Wed, 11th Jan '12 11:31:04 AM from Berzerkeley, Kalifornien Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
The gravestone has been stolen
I love the show, I do but I do have a few issues with it.

  • Ahsoka Tano is a great character, but she's not mentioned at all in Revenge of the Sith, so what the heck will happen to her?

  • I agree with an earlier sentiment about the Clones being a little too developed, noble effort but its all for naught anyway

  • People might flame me for this, but Matt Lanter makes Anakin sound and act for too much like Qui-Gonn or Obi-Wan and not enough like the established angster. His voice sounds a little too far away from Christensen who probably couldve done the job here just fine, since the animation does the facial expressions for him. I know he has a Padawan so it's really just in comparison but it still seems a little off. I just can't believe this portrayal of Anakin could be Darth Vader like I can with the film ones.
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 75 Sgt Ricko, Thu, 12th Jan '12 9:02:09 AM from Guam, USA Relationship Status: Hounds of love are hunting
Did anybody else get the feeling that General Krell's fall to the dark side during the Umbaran arc was some sort of last minute retcon? Although his behavior and tactics were dangerous, there really wasn't anything that indicated him being a Sith at any point. If anything, it came off more as him having some sort of deep-seated grudge against clones, and the whole arc felt as if it was the Republic's Vietnam: massive casualties due to underestimation of an enemy who fights with unorthodox tactics, casualties due to poor leadership, and the fragging of a commanding officer as a result.

The episode could've ended exactly at that: instead of that particular revelation, the clones end up removing him from command due to his terrible leadership, and ultimately killing him because he started fighting back and proved too lethal to contain. It would've also made for a great starting point for the Clones to start losing faith in the Jedi, and carry out Order 66 more willingly as a result.

Personally, I think what happened is as soon as the producers at Lucasfilm got word that the Clone Wars writers were planning to have a Jedi General get fragged by his troops for his poor leadership, they ended up telling them "No, it's too morally grey! The only way a Jedi can die from the hands of another good guy is if he turned evil - no exceptions!"

edited 12th Jan '12 9:03:38 AM by SgtRicko

Would you believe I never fully watched the original Indiana Jones trilogy? I gotta correct that someday.
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