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 1176 Nightwire, Sun, 8th Jul '12 10:18:17 AM Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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Does anyone else see a slight resemblance between the Witch and the Genie from Aladin? Or heck, Merlin from The Sword in the Stone?

edited 8th Jul '12 10:19:08 AM by Nightwire

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 1177 Shota, Sun, 8th Jul '12 10:18:59 AM Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
Steve Purcell: "Hmmm. Even though her personality has absolutely no place in the film, I'll put the Witch in it anyway because IT MAKES SENSE!"

 1178 Known Unknown, Sun, 8th Jul '12 10:54:16 AM from Here. There. Everywhere.
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When I first saw the Witch I assumed oh, maybe she's like Ursula, having once tried to take over the Kingdom by creating Mor'du, but now has totally given up the dream until Merida revealed she was the princess." I totally figured that the moment Merida showed her the necklace she would've started scheming.

I'm actually really glad they didn't go that route. Her being totally reluctant until an obscenely high level of bartering made her all the more endearing a character - and it was a good way to show how short-sighted and in need of Character Development Merida was: if the person who casts these spells thinks this is probably a bad idea, you should really put some more thought into it.

I would've loved for Merida to run into the witch and for her to say something like: "well, I did warn you about ten times!"
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 1179 Dr Psyche, Sun, 8th Jul '12 12:13:13 PM from Hawaii Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
[up] To be honest, I would have liked it if The Witch was the Big Bad, A witch making promises to gain power over the four kingdoms (both in the past and the present), and Mordu could have been The Dragon. But, since they didn't go that route, then they should have made her something of a Trickster mentor (Possibly to both Merida and Mordu). At the very least she should have reappeared at the Climax or the end in person, possibly to deliver a moral, though the raven selling the carvings was a nice call back.
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My sister brought me a set of really cute pins from Disney World that have the characters on 'em. I've got Fergus, the Witch, the Triplets, and Merida. I put them up on my corkboard! :D
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 1182 Bunai, Wed, 11th Jul '12 5:52:56 AM from The internet
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Much to my own amusement.
The Japanese trailer was praised for months as being: dramatic, character focused, and deep. While the North American trailer was bashed for being too comical, too vague, and including too many characters. Now after the film is released, people are seeing how inaccurate the Japanese trailer was, despite the glamor of it. Yes, North American trailers can certainly pick out all the 'key moments', but when it comes to not revealing the full intent, I find it suiting, as that is what I am use to. It makes you want to see the movie, and then when the movie is released after a few days, the trailers change.

I do agree that the original title was neat, but it also made me think that it was a battle between animal and human, or that a girl and bear were friends.
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 1183 Shota, Wed, 11th Jul '12 5:55:11 AM Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
There's a bear. And a bow. The original title would have you expecting Merida to shoot Mor'du.

  • Circumstances do not allow that to happen. It's BARELY an archery movie.
  • One arrow would kill a gigantic beast with broken arrows sticking out of his back? Not a chance.

 1184 Sijo, Wed, 11th Jul '12 6:13:53 AM from Puerto Rico
Hmm...
Well, she did shoot him. Not that it helped much. tongue

Btw I've recently been informed (by a friend here at TV Tropes) that it was around the time the story takes place that bears were hunted to extinction in Scotland. That kind of gives the film a sadder tone when you stop to think about it...

[up][up]I still liked the Japanese trailer better. It made me want to see the film, while the Western ones had me wondering too long.

edited 11th Jul '12 6:15:27 AM by Sijo

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 1185 Mort 08, Wed, 11th Jul '12 7:21:24 PM from Oklahoma Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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Took my mom to see it. Her response? "It was beautiful...and very stupid." She said she liked the first and last twenty minutes but hated the middle of it. And she agreed with me that Merida was annoying.

I also realized another Plot Hole: Merida's convinced that the tapestry is all she needed to change her mum back. There was no hint that it needed to be actually put on her mother, so why drag it with her when she went after the lords? Yes, they were trying to kill Elinor, but if she'd stayed in the castle, Merida wouldn't have had to try mending the tapestry while riding a horse. It just didn't make sense to me.

 1186 Enzeru, Wed, 11th Jul '12 7:23:41 PM from Orlando, FL χಠ♥
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She went so she could go protect her mom from Fergus and the like, I would assume. As to why she drapes the tapestry over her? Eh, you could say that she was trying whatever looked like it might work.

 1187 Sijo, Thu, 12th Jul '12 6:31:14 AM from Puerto Rico
Hmm...
You know, I'm still scratching my head in regards to whether it ACTUALLY was necessary to repair the tapestry, or if that was just Merida misunderstanding the riddle. (And WHY the need for a riddle, anyway??) From what I understood, the "bond" that needed to be mended was the one between Merida and Elinor eg., both admitting they were wrong. Well, that and sunlight, I guess. That's why the tapestry had no effect at first.

Just another example of why the magical part of the movie was unclear and annoying to me. -_-
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 1188 Psychobabble 6, Thu, 12th Jul '12 7:02:30 PM from the spark of Westeros
[up]Yes, that was entirely my interpretation. I think she may have gotten out of the castle and taken the tapestry with her because if it didn't work, she'd need to save her mother. I don't know, it wasn't clear.
And if I claim to be a wise man, well, it surely means that I don't know.
 1189 Pipping Fool, Fri, 13th Jul '12 4:15:00 AM from Sydney, The Vivid City Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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I just watched it earlier today.

I... I liked it, a lot. I would put it on par with Monsters, Inc. in terms of enjoyability.
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 1190 Rebochan, Fri, 13th Jul '12 5:14:25 PM from Soaking up Rays
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Merida was still working on the tapestry, wasn't she? She took it with her because she needed to finish it, so she thought, and she also needed to stop the men from killing her mom before it was complete. Oh, and conveniencewise, it's a simple way to make sure we don't have Mom's nudity on display in front of a bunch of guys in a kids movie.

Wait, people hate Merida? Do they hate actual teenage girls then? I thought Brave was the best interpretation of how real girls at that age act that I've seen in film. Prideful, rebellious, sometimes very right, sometimes very wrong. I suspect we have another example of an actual strong female character being criticized for not being a flawless example of perfection...that is promptly boring and cliche'd as hell regardless of gender. And Merida didn't even get married or have a romance, poor thing.

edited 13th Jul '12 5:14:36 PM by Rebochan

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 1191 absolclaw, Sat, 14th Jul '12 12:12:18 AM from Castelia City
Most teenage girls I've met are a lot more mellow then you seem to think ...
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 1192 Dr Psyche, Sat, 14th Jul '12 1:00:06 AM from Hawaii Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
[up] I'm going to agree with you on that one.
 1193 Mort 08, Sat, 14th Jul '12 1:40:39 AM from Oklahoma Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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I'm a teenage girl, and...well, I've said what I think of her.
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Gasp, You're a girl!?

edited 14th Jul '12 2:31:20 AM by blueflame724

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 1195 Pipping Fool, Sat, 14th Jul '12 2:48:15 AM from Sydney, The Vivid City Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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I used to think Mort was a 15 year old British boy until she told otherwise.

@_@
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 1196 Nightwire, Sat, 14th Jul '12 4:04:31 AM Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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Yes, because there is only one kind of teenaged girl on Earth, and obviously nobody has ever behaved like an idiot.

I'm of the "okay with Merida" camp. Sure, she has failings, but the film never treated her as being entirely reasonable. The whole point of the movie is to make both Merida and Elinor to undergo Character Development. And it is done very well, so I'm okay with that.

edited 14th Jul '12 4:06:44 AM by Nightwire

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 1197 Pipping Fool, Sat, 14th Jul '12 5:06:16 AM from Sydney, The Vivid City Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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I liked Merida's character a lot because I found her so damn relateable.

Yes, I am the bratty, headstrong, whiny, teenage girl. What of it?
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You're a girl too!?

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 1199 Anthony H, Sat, 14th Jul '12 8:15:41 AM from monterrey, mex
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I don't think Merida was annoying, just...plain, bland. It didn't really leave an impression on me sad

 1200 deathpigeon, Sat, 14th Jul '12 8:22:46 AM from Bread, It Is Bread that the Revolution Needs! Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
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I liked her too because I found her very relatable as a teenager who finds her parents too controlling, and wants to have control of her own destiny, which is something I have definitely experienced myself.
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