It's worth noting that the first anime actually does make Mustang and Bradley less sympathetic by having the former kill Winry's parents and the latter kill Selim.
edited 7th Mar '11 7:39:21 AM by silver2195
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I must say, I'm surprised at how non-flamey this topic has been so far. ...That probably says some depressing things about my experiences with fandom, in retrospect.I'm pretty surprised too, to be honest. And I started watching the first anime. I figure that, even if I end up liking it less, it'll help me appreciate Brotherhood more, since it rushes the beginning. Really enjoying it so far, though. About fifteen episodes in.
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Would-Be World RulerGlad to hear you're enjoying it-FMA is definitely the favorite of all the anime my wife and I have watched, hope you keep it up and watch Brotherhood and read the manga as well. Also-I, too, am one of those perplexed by the people online who claim they can't like the whole of FMA-all the fighting over which one is better with the other adaptation being crap is absolutely ridiculous. I may prefer one version of it over the other, but all in all, it's still great. (We just have to wait and see if the newer movie coming out later this year maintains the high level of entertainment the rest of the series has...) Likewise surprised and pleased to find the lack of flame-war on this thread. Thought it might be much worse than this and difficult to read as a result instead of a rather intelligent discourse of likes and dislikes. Hopefully it stays that way...
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Darkness and DisgraceMy problem with the first series is how it really spins it's wheels due to the first 26 episodes or so being an adaptation of a very small fraction of the manga. What was essentially a prologue becomes half of the entire series. I can't help but feel that the attempts to make the show deeper fell a little flat and ended up feeling tacked on. I actually prefer the manga's take on the humonculi for the simple fact that they don't play the Tragic Monster card. It's such a cliché at this point that it honestly feels better off foregoing it altogether. I also really didn't like it's take on the Rush Valley story going out of it's way to make Winry come off as a total Jerk Ass and having Izumi literally kidnap the Elric brothers.
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I think probably the biggest reason to watch both isn't so much the two different stories (which are still tremendously powerful, ) but the chance to see all the characters shine. Manga!Lust (and, by extension, Brotherhood) in particular was shanked far too early on, while Manga!Envy came across as a totally wimpy blowhard, and even Manga!Gluttony came across as more of a helpless punching bag in spite of his amazing special ability. In the first anime, Lust was dangerous, complex and enthralling, while Envy was the Big Bad's practically unstoppable enforcer, and Gluttony also kept a much better win record. On the Manga/Brotherhood side, Anime!Pride was rather generic and minion-y, while Manga!Wrath is simply an incredible character, one of the greatest fusions of man and monster ever written, Manga!Kimblee switches from a straightforward murderer to a stylishly evil psycho who's just loads of fun to watch, and as was said before Hohenheim's character is expanded from merely being The Atoner to a weaponized atoner. There are some other characters that are actually great in both, but in substantially different ways.For example, Manga!Scar turns into an Anti-Villain through Winry giving him a path to redemption, while Anime!Scar does so by being right all along and even arguing Ed into the ground.
Brotherhood PWNS the first anime series. No question.
BEST. PRINCESS. EVEREh, both have their merits.
Mister MasterAs much as I prefer Brotherhood, the "no question" can easily come off as a bit insulting to people who don't see it that way. It's a matter of taste.
Always RightUuuunless....the thread was about characters having a showdown with their counterparts in the other show... In that case, Brotherhood King Bradley(Wrath) beats 1st anime King Bradley(Pride) no questions asked.
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somethingsomethingI never watched the first anime, so, can you please explain what Bradley could do in that version that makes him weaker than the manga version?
It's not so much a matter of taste. The first anime has plot holes and unanswered questions. Brotherhood does not have any of these. Thus I think it's safe to say Brotherhood is superior in terms of quality. However just because a series is superior to another, doesn't mean you can't enjoy the less superior one though. For example, I know Cowboy Bebop is far superior to Outlaw Star, in terms of quality. I still like Outlaw Star more. Way more. In fact Bebop bores the hell outta me. XD On that note, I liked the beginning of the first FMA anime a lot. It just....fell apart in the middle all the way to the end. So I prefer Brotherhood overall. Better story-telling, better character development, better animation and an ending that doesn't leave you completely pissed off.
edited 25th May '11 11:14:19 AM by Chiibi
Mister MasterWhat plot holes, exactly? I don't remember any glaring ones except the violations of equivalent exchange near the end. He has the same homunculus ability, but he never shows the same physical skill as manga Bradley.
edited 25th May '11 11:22:38 AM by AXavierB
Oh, I've seen *plenty* of folks who were pissed off by the manga/Brotherhood ending. I haven't seen the first anime, so I may be completely off-base here, but as I understand it there's a definite contrast in tone. One of the underlying messages in the manga/Brotherhood story is "The world sucks. Learn how to make it better." Whereas from what I've gleaned of the first anime's story, it would be more like "The world sucks, and if you try to make it better you'll actually make it worse. Learn how to live in it." I personally prefer the first version. Plus why the hell did they make Al's hair brown?
BEST. PRINCESS. EVERBULL. EFFING. SHIT. The end of the first anime was the bomb! It was great. Aside from that Nazi debacle, but we don't talk about that here. Basically, here's how I see it. Barring Bradley and Anime!Wrath, the original did a far superior job with characterization, philosophy and morality, and was a much more character-driven story, which I like. Brotherhood, on the other hand, was far more badass, had a nice little conspiracy plot that never got too big for its britches and generally just drove the HSQ through the goddamn roof. Both have advantages unique to themselves, so trying to "objectively" decide which is better is pointless.
edited 25th May '11 11:34:13 AM by KSPAM
KSPAM's statement would become completely correct if "Brotherhood" was replaced with "the manga".
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VikingsBrotherhood has far better opening songs, so it is clearly a far better show. Yes, I am that petty.
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edited 25th May '11 1:49:33 PM by AXavierB
BEST. PRINCESS. EVER
KSPAM's statement would become completely correct if "Brotherhood" was replaced with "the manga"You mean there's a difference?
Brotherhood didn't have the Roy-Al fight, right? I have to give the nod to Brotherhood for the Loads and Loads of Characters, though. The better development for Scar, King Bradley, Izumi, Major Armstrong, Hawkeye, Envy, etc., together with all the new characters, just plain rock out, IMHO.
edited 25th May '11 2:30:30 PM by Cheshire
"I don't remember any glaring ones except the violations of equivalent exchange near the end. " Um, yeah, those. XD; The "ending" to the first anime was absolutely horrible. It's like they just pulled it out of their asses. :p "KSPAM's statement would become completely correct if "Brotherhood" was replaced with "the manga"." No replacement is needed for anyone who doesn't even read the manga.
edited 25th May '11 3:57:06 PM by Chiibi
BEST. PRINCESS. EVERI loved the ending
But it made no sense and just left you hanging! XD; I think a lot of people hated it... "Oh, I've seen *plenty* of folks who were pissed off by the manga/Brotherhood ending. " o_O How the hell could they be pissed of with an ending like that?!
edited 25th May '11 4:00:23 PM by Chiibi
BEST. PRINCESS. EVERHow does it leave you hanging? I thought it tied things up nicely.
The ending of the first anime concludes Ed and Roy's character arcs nicely and stays consistent with the themes dealt with throughout the series. It was uplifting and emotional without being sappy. And it's an open ending, because that's pretty much the point it was trying to convey... part of Conqueror of Shamballa's problem is that it tried to tie up threads that were meant to left loose.
Brotherhood has far better opening songs, so it is clearly a far better show.The first anime had better ending songs, though, so it evens out.
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