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AT&T Told They Are Not Exempt From FOIA:

 1 Tuefel Hunden IV, Thu, 3rd Mar '11 4:07:16 PM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchmen of the Apocalypse
AT&T Denied Personhood (Thank God) and told they are not exempt form the Freedom of Information Act.

One less power token in the pockets of big business.
"Who watches the watchmen?"
Mentor
If the court is just going to deny corporations rights, why did they give them rights in the first place? The SC is weird right now.

 3 Tzetze, Thu, 3rd Mar '11 4:14:40 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
DUMB
Corporate personhood as a concept is more than a hundred years old.
 4 Blue Ninja 0, Thu, 3rd Mar '11 4:28:50 PM from The Middle of Nowhere Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Plotting my Escape
If you actually read the decision, AT&T sued for privacy protection after several other companies tried to use the Freedom of Information Act to acquire sensitive propriatary information about AT&T's new technology. That information is protected by privacy concerns, but in all other ways, no company counts as a person for privacy rules.
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 5 Deboss, Thu, 3rd Mar '11 4:41:14 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
So other companies are trying to use Fo IA for corporate espionage?
 6 Tuefel Hunden IV, Thu, 3rd Mar '11 4:41:19 PM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchmen of the Apocalypse
I could care less about why they sued for privacy. I think companies need less of it in the first place. The General public even if it includes competitors should be allowed to peak in and keep an eye on companies.
"Who watches the watchmen?"
 7 Barkey, Thu, 3rd Mar '11 6:55:40 PM from Bunker 051 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War Profiteer
If the court is just going to deny corporations rights, why did they give them rights in the first place? The SC is weird right now.

Because most of big business has abused the shit out of those rights in dishonest ways, and I don't think everything they do have as a right was necessarily intended, it was mostly so one individual didn't take the fall in the event of a law suit.
The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.
I think the SC's logic is that a group of people has all the rights its members have, but it's not actually a person and doesn't get rights to, say, not have it's "personal privacy" violated because since it's not a person it has no personal privacy.
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 9 Tzetze, Thu, 3rd Mar '11 7:21:50 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
DUMB
So other companies are trying to use FOIA for corporate espionage?

Well now if they do it can be turned right back.
 10 Ratix, Fri, 4th Mar '11 10:08:29 AM from Someplace, Maryland
[up][up] I've always been profoundly confused about the notion of corporations being counted as a person, mostly because I have no idea what that even entails. Can a corporation run for public office? I know it sounds silly but when people talk about corporations having personhood, that's honestly the first thing that comes to mind and it's both laughable and terrifying at the same time.

 11 Drunk Girlfriend, Fri, 4th Mar '11 10:10:30 AM from Castle Geekhaven
[up] Yeah, it's called lobbying.
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 12 Deboss, Fri, 4th Mar '11 10:46:37 AM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
According to The Other Wiki corporate personhood arose so that corporations could engage in contracts.
 13 Barkey, Fri, 4th Mar '11 11:19:59 AM from Bunker 051 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War Profiteer
Oh fuck.

Electronic Arts might run for President.

With his evil running mate... Nintendo.
The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.
 14 Major Tom, Fri, 4th Mar '11 11:23:02 AM Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Eye'm the cutest!
^ Sony. Nintendo would be the opposing Presidential candidate since they slap around publishers like EA.
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Activision however will be the extremely rich backer up who is the one who secretly runs the show.

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[up][up] Nintendo couldn't run for president... He wasn't born in America (nor does he have American parents).  There is no rule though

That information is protected by privacy concerns, but in all other ways, no company counts as a person for privacy rules.

Doesn't this mean that, even though AT&T isn't a person, AT&T is protected by FOIA because the info is private? I'm confused...

edited 4th Mar '11 12:33:47 PM by Swish

 17 Tzetze, Fri, 4th Mar '11 12:29:54 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
DUMB
I'm confused as to why they can't just call it a trade secret and be done with that.
 18 Deboss, Fri, 4th Mar '11 12:34:53 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Myself as well.
 19 storyyeller, Fri, 4th Mar '11 1:09:43 PM from Appleloosa Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
There is no rule though That he couldn't be vice-president, have the president killed, and be president that way. The rules used to be that the VP was the closest loser for president. When it was changed, the "President can't be a naturalized citizen, but the vice-president can... So be that and have the president die" loophole was created.

Actually, there is.

no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States
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 20 Blue Ninja 0, Fri, 4th Mar '11 6:28:34 PM from The Middle of Nowhere Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Plotting my Escape
Doesn't this mean that, even though AT&T isn't a person, AT&T is protected by FOIA because the info is private? I'm confused... - Swish
AT&T is partially protected. Trade secrets and similar propietary information cannot be divulged by the government under FOIA, but any other information can be. AT&T was basically attempting to use corporate personhood to get immunity from FOIA and keep everything private.
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