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Being Cultured.:

 1 Deboss, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 7:16:33 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Can someone give me an objective definition of being cultured as well as a cost/benefit analysis.
 2 Bobby G, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 7:34:17 PM from the Silvery Tay
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I'll try...

Being cultured means being educated in the most highly regarded aspects of your culture, and most importantly, showing it. The benefits are a greater understanding of the world (as comes with all knowledge) and the respect of people who regard those aspects of culture as a mark of superiority. The costs are the time and effort it takes to learn these things and behave accordingly, and obviously you must also take into account the fact that what the majority regard as classy may not be very similar to your personal interests.
 3 MRDA 1981, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 7:36:06 PM from Hell (London), UK.
Tyrannicidal Maniac
In common parlance, "culture"="high art".
 4 Deboss, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 7:38:11 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
How does one determine a highly regarded aspect, objectively?
 5 Aondeug, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 7:39:02 PM from  Our Dreams
Oh My
You write up your subjective opinion and say it's objective.
If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
 6 MRDA 1981, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 7:39:22 PM from Hell (London), UK.
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[up][up]How indeed?

edited 2nd Mar '11 7:39:37 PM by MRDA1981

 7 Bobby G, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 7:40:20 PM from the Silvery Tay
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There we get into the definitions of "high art" and "high culture", which are not rigidly defined and basically boil down to consensus. Something is classy if people behave as though it is classy.
 8 Deboss, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 7:42:06 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
I'm still thinking it's a "worthless dickwaving" thing. Haven't seen any counter evidence.
 9 Aondeug, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 7:42:48 PM from  Our Dreams
Oh My
It really is.
If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
 10 Bobby G, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 7:42:52 PM from the Silvery Tay
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It is mostly about dickwaving, yes. Whether or not it's worthless probably depends on your goals.
 11 Deboss, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 7:45:40 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
People have told me that my rabid anti-art plans would result in future generations being completely uncultured. I'd already concluded that it was likely worthless, I just wanted to make sure.
 12 Drunk Girlfriend, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 7:46:44 PM from Castle Geekhaven
Something is classy if people behave as though it is classy.

Much like how silly noises aren't silly unless laughed at.
"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
 13 MRDA 1981, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 7:51:15 PM from Hell (London), UK.
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Vox populi, vox dei....ironically.
Unchanging Avatar.
Well, I can't prove to you that art is good. Why do you have anti-art plans anyway?
Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
 15 Bobby G, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 7:55:21 PM from the Silvery Tay
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Hmm... the downsides of being uncultured would probably be more indirect. Since so-called "high culture" is commonly tied to an interest in philosophy and the theoretical, I imagine you might see a decrease in general knowledge and abstract thought.

I think the elimination of culture would likely be all well and good for those who can digest hard facts easily and have no interest in anything more, but not so good for those whose imaginations are fired by less concrete ideas.
 16 Shrimpus, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 7:55:51 PM from Brooklyn, NY, US
Being cultured is knowing where you came from and what is required of you. It is an understanding of how the world you have chosen to be part of functions.

 17 MRDA 1981, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 8:04:21 PM from Hell (London), UK.
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[up]"Chosen to be part of"?
 18 Bobby G, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 8:06:45 PM from the Silvery Tay
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Makes sense to me. You can choose to behave as though cultured or not. If you don't, then you probably won't be rubbing shoulders with elitists any time soon.
 19 MRDA 1981, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 8:07:52 PM from Hell (London), UK.
Tyrannicidal Maniac
I don't think he was going in that direction with that phrasing.
 20 Bobby G, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 8:12:01 PM from the Silvery Tay
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The preceding sentence suggests not, though I don't presume to know Shrimpus' intentions.

Although, it could be argued that there's always a choice. You could drop out of society at any time if you so chose.
 21 Shrimpus, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 8:14:55 PM from Brooklyn, NY, US
Culture could be construed as solely as being a member of 'haute couture' but it is more about knowing how to be where you are at any given time. It is about understanding the paradigm that is being used and functioning to a high degree within that paradigm. Something that requires an understanding of what the origins and mechanics of that culture. High Culture as it is stereotypically defined is merely a set of fashionable ideals but it is based on a more fundamental concept of striving for excellence within the boundaries of a chosen cultural paradigm. That said 'being cultured' is knowing enough of the available cultures to make value judgments.

edited 2nd Mar '11 8:15:36 PM by Shrimpus

 22 Drunk Girlfriend, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 8:18:16 PM from Castle Geekhaven
Also, one could argue that banning art is "uncultured" because art is a major part of anthropological studies.
"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
 23 Barkey, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 8:32:19 PM from Bunker 051 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War Profiteer
A bunch of haughty pricks who work at gaming the system as much as possible, and then distancing themselves from people who don't with elitist snobbery.
The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.
 24 Shrimpus, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 8:53:44 PM from Brooklyn, NY, US
[up] Thats unfair. Speaking for cultured elitists we aren't all snobs and we certainly don't mind mixing it up.

 25 Deboss, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 8:59:25 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Still, haven't seen anything value that's not tautological in nature.
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