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The implications of human-like AI:

 26 Usht, Thu, 3rd Mar '11 11:01:33 AM from an arbitrary view point.
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Eh, sure, I'll bite.

Intelligence is the ability to define abstract ideas like morality, higher beings (God), and feelings (loyalty, love, hate, etc) in addition to concrete ideas (cold hard data). In addition, it should be able to learn and apply both types of ideas to problems and be able to come up with an answer.

Finally, it should be able to be creative. Instead of looking through a preset list of possible options, it should be able to add to that list by using the ideas that it has obtained. In other words, that machine should be able to not only invent tools, it should be able to make unique art based on past experiences.

The definition is abridged, yes, but that's the best I can do to sum up "intelligence".
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 27 Lanceleoghauni, Thu, 3rd Mar '11 11:16:22 AM from Z or R Twice Relationship Status: In my bunk
"God?" Why wouldn't an AI be able to recite mythology chapter and verse? seems like a silly qualification
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 28 Usht, Thu, 3rd Mar '11 11:22:52 AM from an arbitrary view point.
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Well, for it to be truly human-like, it needs to be able to invent ideas which it can love, hate, or you know, worship. In other words, it should be able to invent its own religion if it wanted to. Just knowing the texts of other religions doesn't mean it's actually capable of being religious.
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 29 Tzetze, Thu, 3rd Mar '11 11:24:51 AM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
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You could say «the ability to believe in the existence of things which it hasn't directly observed» and head off pointless derailing.
 30 Lanceleoghauni, Thu, 3rd Mar '11 11:26:35 AM from Z or R Twice Relationship Status: In my bunk
That'd be filed under creativity then wouldn't it?
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 31 Usht, Thu, 3rd Mar '11 11:27:25 AM from an arbitrary view point.
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[up][up]Meh, it didn't occur to me to phrase it in that sort of manner.

[up]Depending on your definition of creativity, sure, why not? (And so we run into the problem of communicating those abstract ideas.)

edited 3rd Mar '11 11:29:03 AM by Usht

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 32 Sark, Thu, 3rd Mar '11 7:21:30 PM from across 100 000 miles
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The real breakthrough would be when we create an AI capable of innovation and coding.
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 33 Tzetze, Thu, 3rd Mar '11 7:23:26 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
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Of course, then you get back to defining what intelligence is. Computer programs, after all, have written the majority of all existing code. But I'd hardly consider a compiler intelligent.

edited 3rd Mar '11 7:23:46 PM by Tzetze

 34 Sark, Thu, 3rd Mar '11 7:46:47 PM from across 100 000 miles
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Compilers translate, I'm talking about the innovation and generation of new code.
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 35 Tzetze, Thu, 3rd Mar '11 7:51:33 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
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Compilers take a specification in a higher language and write a program in a lower language that has equivalent functionality with respect to the higher language's specification. In the same way, a human programmer takes a description of what a program is supposed to do, and writes a high-level-language program that does that. It's the same process and I don't think it's a terribly good criterion. A program choosing what to write of what we can consider its own volition - creativity - is already good.
 36 storyyeller, Thu, 3rd Mar '11 8:03:48 PM from Appleloosa Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
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We also already have AIs that display creativity.
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 37 Sark, Thu, 3rd Mar '11 8:10:38 PM from across 100 000 miles
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A human programmer takes a description of a program and creates it yes, but only a human can create the description of the program. A machine that could do all of the required steps (create basic idea -> work through the technical aspects and logical challenges of program -> translate to basic machine language) is what I'm talking about.

Also, a compiler always rewrite code the same way, it is the programmers job to create what it rewrites. It translates, it does not create.

[quit arguing semantics, you know what I mean]
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 38 Tzetze, Thu, 3rd Mar '11 8:16:43 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
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So... creativity. You don't need to specify code for that.

We also already have AIs that display creativity.

Like that one that proved some geometrical theory in an entirely new way? That was cool.
 39 Yej, Fri, 4th Mar '11 6:56:48 AM from <0,1i>
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What about the one that did science?
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 40 Deboss, Fri, 4th Mar '11 8:40:13 AM from Awesomeville Texas
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 41 Sark, Fri, 4th Mar '11 10:03:18 AM from across 100 000 miles
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^^ I was just being specific as to the application of creativity and I did mention innovation. Most people tend to think of visual artistic or musical creativity when you just say creativity. I've always understood innovation as the scientific half of creativity.

edited 4th Mar '11 12:43:29 PM by Sark

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 42 Deboss, Fri, 4th Mar '11 10:47:42 AM from Awesomeville Texas
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AIs are, by definition, not unique. With a backup and a memory dump any AI is something you can reproduce ad nauseam. Non-uniqueness is surely relevant.

edited 4th Mar '11 12:02:07 PM by SavageHeathen

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 44 Usht, Fri, 4th Mar '11 12:39:08 PM from an arbitrary view point.
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Not really, Heathen (man that feels awkward to type, makes me feel like I'm insulting you or something), uniqueness is not necessary for intelligence. Plus, being able to back up information is a good, good thing.
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 45 Tzetze, Fri, 4th Mar '11 12:41:16 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
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It's not a criterion, it's a consequence, and an interesting one.
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