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I don't remember God mentioning the possibility of Adam going psycho. Is that from a Midrash?
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 27 Chagen 46, Mon, 28th Feb '11 3:26:06 PM from I don't really know
Well, that was a piece I added myself. Adam was lonely, and I assumed that without someone else to talk to, he'd go crazy.tongue
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 28 Usht, Mon, 28th Feb '11 3:26:44 PM from an arbitrary view point.
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Less of Adam going psycho and just more of him not getting lonely, which could be interpreted as people being social creatures. Not sure what that means as far as gender goes (maybe that men need women? But what about the part that follows? Or maybe I'm thinking too hard about it, perhaps it was just the fact that humans would eventually fall for temptation anyway? The amount of time they spend immortal in that garden was not exactly given. This after thought is getting quite large).
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I like this idea, is this relevant?
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Well Adam did have Lilith to talk to before Eve was made. Those two just couldn't get along because apparently god was a shitty couples counselor.

 31 Usht, Mon, 28th Feb '11 3:55:19 PM from an arbitrary view point.
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Actually, yes, seeing as this is about gender roles and that's pointing towards how gender roles are becoming irrelevant. Women can produce sperm, people can make artificial vaginas. Granted, I've grown up with the idea that it's rather weird to have a number of parents other than one or two, but then again, upcoming generations will have this technology and will understand its ethical implications better than I can.

EDIT: Lilith is a weird topic. How canon she is varies with age and church/temple. I'm not quite sure how to approach that topic.

edited 28th Feb '11 3:56:36 PM by Usht

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[up]She's not in the Bible (unless you count a poetic reference to some sort of creature called a Lillith in one of the Psalms) or in any formal Christian tradition. She's mostly just a folktale, I think.
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 33 Usht, Mon, 28th Feb '11 4:08:04 PM from an arbitrary view point.
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Well see, even within Jewish communities (where I've heard she may sometimes still be included within the Torah (very rarely anyway), feel free to correct me), it's often up to debate as to whether or not she was originally there or added in after the fact by someone not directly inspired by God.

edited 28th Feb '11 4:43:05 PM by Usht

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 34 Rottweiler, Mon, 28th Feb '11 4:35:35 PM from Portland, Oregon
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Assisted reproduction will make it possible for individuals of any sex to reproduce in any combinations they choose, with or without “mothers” and “fathers, ” and artificial wombs will make biological wombs unnecessary for reproduction.

The Brave New World thread is thattaway. points
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 35 Wicked 223, Tue, 1st Mar '11 3:03:29 PM from Death Star in the forest
So is Our Ford going to become the new Big Brother of political thought-terminating cliches?
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 36 Leigh Sabio, Tue, 1st Mar '11 3:09:07 PM from Love party!
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[up] Are we going to make points or just sling labels like "thought-terminating cliche" around?
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 37 Wicked 223, Tue, 1st Mar '11 3:12:47 PM from Death Star in the forest
Sorry, I'm just a little weary of people having knee-jerk reactions to new technologies because they were used in a work of fiction.

There's nothing about assisted reproduction that will instantly lead to an institutionalized system of instant gratification used to keep the populace restricted but happy.

edited 1st Mar '11 3:14:48 PM by Wicked223

You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!
On the whole Adam and Eve thing I'm pretty sure there is a quote somewhere (not in the bible) that says something like:

"God created Eve not from the head to be superior, not from the feet to be walked upon but from the side to be equal."

So yeah, the whole rib thing is meant to be symbolic, just not in the way most people interpret it.
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 40 Usht, Tue, 1st Mar '11 4:09:03 PM from an arbitrary view point.
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Bible as Literature class. Fun times. Plus, when God is involved, can't it be both literal and metaphorical? After all, things don't have to be linear when God is involved.
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