Why not a Muslim superheroine comic?:

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201 TheHandle7th Jan 2014 03:51:49 AM from Barcelona , Relationship Status: In love with love
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[up]You can't do that without making Allah a liar about being omnipotent, and that just won't fly. Also, in a world with a Muslim cosmology being true, You Can't Fight Fate, so Time Travel would result in You Already Changed The Past rather than Timey-Wimey Ball. The Muslim cosmology is otherwise very strict, so a lot of the weirder stuff in the DC and Marvel universes is right out.
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202 Greenmantle7th Jan 2014 03:56:18 AM from Greater Wessex , Relationship Status: Hiding
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@ Elfive: I agree with [up] — that'll be a certain way to get Death Threats.
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Yeah, but what wouldn't these days?

Anyway that was mostly hyperbole. Lets scale it back and say they could, I don't know, create life? Basically anything only Allah is supposed to be able to do.

That said
a lot of the weirder stuff in the DC and Marvel universes is right out.
I think you may have just hit the nail on the head as to why Marvel and DC lack Muslim representation. All that weird shit happens out in the open, mostly, so Islam has the problem that it's blatantly untrue in those universes.

edited 7th Jan '14 4:27:14 AM by Elfive

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204 TheHandle7th Jan 2014 05:47:24 AM from Barcelona , Relationship Status: In love with love
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Basically anything only Allah is supposed to be able to do.

Ain't No Rule that limits what a human can or cannot do (besides what they ought to do/not-do). The statement is that only God is omnipotent, etc. etc. but it doesn't even say that no human can ever reach that level, only that God has no equal, and, if you want to be Literal-Minded, only that God has no equal as of the time of the release of the Qur'an. So a Muslim with life-making powers might be in a bit of an Arachne-Athena kind of uncomfortable situation, but it's not forbidden, as such. There's a massive, cosmic void between "I cam make life" to "I am omni-everything".
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See, that sort of thing is why I think it would make a good story. You have the initial "oh, no am I offending God?" question and later on that can be resolved and they come to terms with what they can do.

If you think about it, comics in general have a bit of a Reed Richards Is Useless thing going on with regard to religion. By all rights, the revolving door afterlife should have an impact, but it somehow doesn't.
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206 demarquis7th Jan 2014 06:21:11 AM from Hell, USA , Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Who Am I?
Well, to explore this stuff, you have to let go of Status Quois God, which is very hard for sequential fiction to do well.
“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”
207 TheHandle7th Jan 2014 06:25:57 AM from Barcelona , Relationship Status: In love with love
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That's only true for Sitcoms and US-style comic book franchises. Heavy continuity is the norm, in fiction, not the exception.

Unless you mean Status Quo Is God in the broadest, most literal sense, in which case yes, if, in the verse, Muhammad's theses are true, then there are some elements that cannot and will not change.

[up][up]They manage this by keeping things extremely vague and confusing. I refer you to Hellblazer, Swamp Thing, Sand Man, Lucifer, and so on and so forth.

edited 7th Jan '14 6:27:49 AM by TheHandle

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208 demarquis7th Jan 2014 06:29:10 AM from Hell, USA , Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Who Am I?
The point is they have to either be true, or not true. If the latter, then the author will have to engage in cosmos building on a massive scale. If the former, then the author is accepting a straight-jacket.
“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”
209 Greenmantle7th Jan 2014 06:30:13 AM from Greater Wessex , Relationship Status: Hiding
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[up] Shrug of God isn't allowed then?
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210 TheHandle7th Jan 2014 06:34:34 AM from Barcelona , Relationship Status: In love with love
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[up][up]Not really. Remember that, in Real Life, a number Muslims actually believe their cosmology to be true (instead of, you know, just pretending they do), but this belief does not "pay rent", in that it doesn't affect one's expectations on how the world actually works. In other words, a world where Islam is true and the one we actually live in are, in every practical, empirical sense, identical and indistinguishable from each other. The same could be true about any fantasy world, really.

[up]I believe "Shrug of God" is indeed the easiest, default attitude (save for the name). Although, if you do that, please don't engage in In Mysterious Ways; that's just being a cock-tease.

edited 7th Jan '14 6:36:17 AM by TheHandle

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211 demarquis7th Jan 2014 06:35:21 AM from Hell, USA , Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Who Am I?
No, it could, but that means never resolving the questions, the characters never get to meet God, or go to Heaven, or discover the truth behind the stories (no matter how super-powered they get) (and that means the implication that God is just a super-powered human scaled up is probably not correct).
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212 TheHandle7th Jan 2014 06:38:25 AM from Barcelona , Relationship Status: In love with love
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[up]Well, yeah. You know, like actual, living people. As a matter of fact, offering any fictional resolution to those, let alone graphically representing it, would be blasphemy, heresy, and just plain wrong. Muhammad forbade graphical representations of himself and so on precisely to avoid the graphic and narrative versions of Word of Dante bullshit.
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213 demarquis7th Jan 2014 06:54:20 AM from Hell, USA , Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
Who Am I?
I like the way Gaiman did it in the Sandman: Even Lucifer didnt know who God really was, or the answers to life's mysteries. When the time came for Dream's funeral, the Endless were summoned by a mysterious, unknowable influence in the form of a bird.
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214 Heatth15th Feb 2014 11:43:45 AM from Brasil , Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
It haven't been mentioned here, but the new Ms Marvel comic was released last week. It is a really fun book and it prooved to be really successful to, at last in its first issue! It sold out and there will be a new printing next month. The digital version was Marvel's most sold digital book for a while.
215 TheHandle15th Feb 2014 01:50:22 PM from Barcelona , Relationship Status: In love with love
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How is this relevant?

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New Ms Marvel is Muslim.
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217 TheHandle15th Feb 2014 02:00:28 PM from Barcelona , Relationship Status: In love with love
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Is this central or incidental to her characterization and powers?
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Not a clue.
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219 Heatth15th Feb 2014 02:17:09 PM from Brasil , Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Well, the main thing of her first arc seems to be her difficulties to figure out her own cultural identity as a Pakistani descendant born and raised in New Jersey. Her religion is a big part of it but not exactly the sole aspect. (btw, she is 16 years old)

All in all, it is the classic "dork teen who tries to fit in while still figuring out who they are" story. Not a terribly original premise but with an original touch.

That is speaking on her personal "mundane" self. Not sure how she will be as a superheroine as only the first issue was released as of yet. It ended with her gaining her powers, and what said powers are is not even clear in that issue. I know from previews she is a shape-shifter, so I am pretty confident this part of her is not much related to the Muslim faith at all.

PS:Oh, btw, if you are wondering, both the idealizer of the character (the editor) and the writers both of the character's co creators are Muslim women themselves.

edited 15th Feb '14 2:49:23 PM by Heatth

220 TheHandle15th Feb 2014 02:20:36 PM from Barcelona , Relationship Status: In love with love
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"Idealizer"?

Well, that will be interesting.
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221 Heatth15th Feb 2014 02:28:27 PM from Brasil , Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
[up]Uh, sometimes a word that looks like another word from your native language turns out to not mean at all what you thought it meant. Opps? (sorry!) I meant the one who had the idea of the character in the first place. The concept of the character was by the editor, who latter had a writer to write the story.

PS: Anyway, Ms Marvel seems to be going to be a really good book. The first issue is fun and the main character is easily repeatable. She have the potential to be the Peter Parker of this generation.

That said, do not expect her to be a stand in for all Muslim women. She is a very specific kind of Muslim woman. And an American one at that. Her issues probably doesn't really resonate with Muslim women on the middle east as much as it resonate with immigrants descendants in the USnote .

edited 15th Feb '14 2:42:49 PM by Heatth

222 Greenmantle15th Feb 2014 02:39:34 PM from Greater Wessex , Relationship Status: Hiding
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Uh, sometimes a word that looks like another word from your native language turns out to not mean at all what you thought it meant. Opps? (sorry!) I meant the one who had the idea of the character in the first place. The concept of the character was by the editor, who latter had a writer to write the story.

I think the word you're looking for is creator. And "Muslin" is a type of fabric; you're looking for Muslim.
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223 Heatth15th Feb 2014 02:48:30 PM from Brasil , Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
I am not sure creator is the best word as I am not sure she actually created the character per se. I know she came up with the basic concept, but I would guess it was the writer who had the bigger hand on her basic personality and such.

Well, I guess I could just call they both Kamala's co-creators and call it a day.

Also, thanks for the correction. I honestly have a hard time differentiating the n from the m.
224 Greenmantle15th Feb 2014 02:54:01 PM from Greater Wessex , Relationship Status: Hiding
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[up] No problem. smile
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