Evolution-Creationism Debates:

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Pirate Zombie
Creationism doesn't agree with mainstream "historical science" either, y'know. It relies on a bunch of stuff happening that we either know didn't or know couldn't have because it would require physics being completely different.
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2152 BestOf21st Feb 2014 05:50:30 AM from Finland , Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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I read Krauss's column (in post #2142). If I had been given a month to write a reply to Ham it probably would not have occurred to me to point out that according to our models of the inner workings of the Sun, no light from the Sun could have reached the Earth if the Sun had only existed for 6 000 years. This is what's so wonderful about authors like Krauss: they can think of an example that is to-the-point and easy to understand, and that answers the question in a way that just pulls the rug from under an anti-scientist's feet.
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Pirate Zombie
Of course, Ken would "counter" with some bullshit about it being quicker in the past or some other crap.
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2154 demarquis21st Feb 2014 06:17:05 AM from Hell, USA , Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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The point he is trying to make is that the theory of evolution is unrealiable and unscientific because it relies on historical data. You see, a "real" science makes predictions about the future, not the past. It's not true on many levels, and just bugs me.
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Pirate Zombie
Evolution doesn't just happen in the past. It happened, it's happening and it will continue to happen. We use principles central to evolution to predict how viruses will adapt to medication and how ecologies shift in response to environmental pressures and a bunch of other stuff.
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2156 Kostya21st Feb 2014 06:51:44 AM from Everywhere
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[up][up]Things that rely on historical data are unscientific? Explain that assertion. It makes no sense. Most of our models for how things work are based on what we know happened. There's also examples of animals evolving right before our eyes. Take various bacteria for example.

edited 21st Feb '14 6:51:58 AM by Kostya

2157 BestOf21st Feb 2014 06:59:32 AM from Finland , Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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Kostya, Demarquis was describing Ham's position, not his.

We use principles central to evolution to predict how viruses will adapt to medication and how ecologies shift in response to environmental pressures and a bunch of other stuff.

Ham says that as long as mutation or natural selection or anything else to do with evolution can be directly observed, it's microevolution. Macroevolution is the kind that you have to infer from evidence based on testable models, and that is the kind that Ham rejects.

Of course, anyone who knows anything about biology or science knows that this distinction (between "microevolution" and "macroevolution") is entirely bogus - much as is the distinction between "historical" and "observational" science. It is a piece of rhetoric designed to confuse ignorant and gullible lay people, with zero basis in real science.
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2158 Kostya21st Feb 2014 07:02:28 AM from Everywhere
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It sounded like that was his argument from the wording. Sorry.

This is my response to that BS. I actually had a biology teacher in high school that pulled that BS. I didn't care at the time but now if I was principal I'd have them fired for trying to undermine the curriculum.

edited 21st Feb '14 7:03:21 AM by Kostya

2159 demarquis21st Feb 2014 07:15:15 AM from Hell, USA , Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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Sorry if I was wording myself in a confusing way- I was actually disagreeing with Hans, not agreeing with him.

That paragraph is pretty cool, and nicely illustrates that the difference between species is just as arbitrary as the difference between colors.
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2160 QuestionMarc27th Feb 2014 12:29:54 PM from Down-town Canada , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
AMA by a group of researcher smarter than me.

The AMA was started in part to introduce a new book for children called "Great Adaptation", which aims to explain in clear and easy terms the phenomenon of evolution. There is a link to a kickstarter page to support the project, if you are interested. Tho, comically enough, they already busted the goal by a grand or so.

If you are only interested for the comment by the team of researchers, keep your eyes peeled for the "Great Adaptations" tag.

I thought at least one or two person here would care about it.

edited 27th Feb '14 12:30:10 PM by QuestionMarc

Just enough pride.
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