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14276 darkabomination12th Feb 2013 01:32:24 PM from Avalice , Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Slayer of ninjas
"Can't you be Little Miss Heropants some other time?"
14277 phoenixdaughterAM12th Feb 2013 01:44:23 PM from Cursed college , Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
Wiping All Out
Ah Diamond in the Sky. waii
Knouge forever!!
Thank You For Being You, Sweet Dream, My Destiny, amd Worth A Chance.
I am completely, utterly, and thoroughly done with Sola Sonica and 2D
Knouge forever!!
Here's what I would have done with STC: O starting with the Syndicate arc onwards.

  • The Syndicate would be expanded to XIII members. These members are
  1. Robotnik The Emperor Of Machines
  2. Zachary The Eidolon of a Lost Race
  3. Vichama The Looming Death
  4. Rouge The Fallen Seductress
  5. Grimer The Shadow of Loyalty
  6. Fang The Wild Gun
  7. Set The Worshipped Evil
  8. Neo Emperor Metallix The Reconstructed
  9. Blaze The Lost Princess
  10. Marxio The Invader
  11. Lord Sidewinder The Lord of Jahnahm
  12. Nutzan Bolt The Beastmaster
  13. Shadow The Key of Destiny

  • The Sonic Adventure 2 adaptation would be more accurate, complete with redemption for Shadow and Rouge.

  • A Sonic Rush adaptation would occur as well, being quite faithful.

Also, anyone else think the Babylon Rogues are meh?

edited 12th Feb '13 6:13:59 PM by miru

I am completely, utterly, and thoroughly done with Sola Sonica and 2D
I like Wave and Jet a little less, Storm is kind of derp but that's kind of his shtick.

While I think ZG kind of ruined their origins, they're still pretty cool and I want to see them have a role in a main game, even if just as a side boss or something. They're hoverboarding air pirates that can manipulate gravity and wind, that's pretty awesome.
Sonic R must be the only game to have an OST entirely made of Award Bait Songs.
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14282 MrMallard12th Feb 2013 08:50:54 PM from Australia, mate
As rare as dolphin's teeth
Favorite sappy love songs are Follow Me and My Destiny. Dear My Friend is really mushy, but that love is platonic.

Video games, man.
14283 Blueeyedrat12th Feb 2013 08:53:11 PM from nowhere in particular. , Relationship Status: Mu
If there's one thing from the Riders games (ZG in particular) that I'd like to see make a reappearance, it's the music. Some more stuff like this, this, or this? Aww yeah.
"I've come to the conclusion that this is a very stupid idea."
14284 PhysicalStamina12th Feb 2013 09:12:19 PM from iiiin myyyy aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarms , Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
[up][up][up]Dance Music is considered award bait now?
14285 darkabomination12th Feb 2013 09:38:46 PM from Avalice , Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Slayer of ninjas
Sonic R may be full of chesie music, but it's glorious. I'd enjoy more ambient-influenced tracks something like how both versions of CD whent for atmospheric approaches. But in general I hope it keeps a balance on the electronic/dance pop, metal, and orchestral styles it's collected over the years. In general I'd break down the some characters as music styles thusly:

  • Sonic: Mostly upbeat 80s-influenced rock with symphonic elements to emphasize speed.

  • Tails: Pop-rock with a dash of surf to keep it light.

  • Knuckles: Neosoul with some elements of Rap, Jazz and R and B.

  • Amy: Pop Punk adding some metal riffs to give her an edge.

  • Chaotix: slower than usual Ska with some Bebop and lounge for gentler parts.

  • Metal Sonic: Dark Ambient with Industrial and Doom Metal elements to underscore his usual threatening and mechanical appearance.
"Can't you be Little Miss Heropants some other time?"
14286 0dd112th Feb 2013 11:29:20 PM from Nowhere Land
Just awesome like that
I guess while we're on the subject of Sonic vocal music, does anyone else really not like the version of "It Doesn't Matter" from SA 1? Admittedly, I'd heard the version from the sequel before the original, but even if I hadn't, there's just something about the original that rubs me the wrong way. Namely...
  • The rhythm, melody, and lyrics don't mesh together well. Point A: "Well I don't show off, don't criiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiticize!" Why was it necessary to elongate that word so much? To fill space? Write more lyrics to fill space, you lazy bastard! Alternatively, make it so that that particular part is more compact, shorter. Aside from that one line, the rest of the lyrics in the verses don't seem to flow in a way that sounds natural, or, dare I say it, any better than a mediocre amateur. I wrote some* songs that flow better when I was fourteen. Even the speed of the song seems kind of off. The elongated verses just seem to take forever, to the point where Sonic himself would just get bored and leave by the time the chorus comes in. Ironically, the chorus is arguably the only part that really works in this respect, with a nice, triumphant melody that doesn't try to take its time too much, but the words are still accented upon oddly in order to force them in there.
  • That damn singer. He sounds like a poor man's Steven Tyler, audibly straining to hit those high notes and screams. I don't know if it was the choice of the producer of the music (assumedly Jun Senuoe, but I could be wrong) or something that the singer just affected on his own for God knows what reason, but it just sounds really bad, and whoever's decision it was really needed to think harder about it.
  • Just about the only way the song really works is as an instrumental, in all honesty. The instrumental version of the song that plays over certain scenes in Sonic's story were really breathtaking to hear and made me wonder how they came up with such a catchy melody but then had to crap all over it with lyrics that are forced in like a 100 piece puzzle in which 98 of the pieces don't fit and the two that are missing obscure the direct focus of the picture.

Now, SA 2's version of the song, on the other hand, first starts out with another amazingly catchy melody, but it's a melody in which the lyrics do not seem like they were just haphazardly jammed into there. I'd be willing to say that they probably wrote the new version of the song around the lyrics, trying to find a way to make them work without sounding really awkward and embarrassingly amateur, and I'd say they succeeded in that respect. Granted, some of the lyrics are still pretty suspect ("'Cause I only have a steadfast heart of gold"? Is that even supposed to make sense?), but those lyrics are much easier to accept in a setting where they aren't forced in your face due to how out of place they sound. The lyrics are heroic, triumphant, and carefree all at once, perfectly suited to Sonic's character, and the melody is suitably heroic and celebratory as well, and even the speed of the music (as it is more or less a standard pop punk song) gives you a picture of Sonic just running through the land with a sly smirk on his face, just daring you to keep up. To put it even more into perspective, the original version is four and a half minutes long, whereas this version is only about 2:45.

Really, everything seems to come together perfectly for this version, while the original version ends up sounding like a badly composed mess.

Best of all, the singer of this version doesn't sound like he's gonna keel over from a lack of oxygen and contract a throat infection at any second!

SIDE NOTE: I realize that Tony Harnell was the singer of both versions. My point still stands about his vocals.

This has been your Music Nerd Moment of the DayTM.

edited 12th Feb '13 11:32:19 PM by 0dd1

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14287 darkabomination13th Feb 2013 06:22:47 AM from Avalice , Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Slayer of ninjas
[up] Agreed. The SA 2 version just has more personality to it. Even the little whistle at the very beginning and the nice faster paced guitar just work great. I've always thought the original is just trying to be slow and and poignant but ending up as a mess that doesn't suit his character at all. The instrumental works much better as a latemotive than a full track.

But everyone else had great music aside from My Sweet Passion. It isn't bad exactly, it just doesn't fit her very well. At least Follow Me gives the impression that Amy's going to do something about her love for Sonic. Even the title invokes motion and purpose where her first theme is kind of static and dull.

But in particular Tikal's Theme really stands out. Whereas most of the other tracks used rock and or jazz as key components, the switch to sitar and a more World Music flare makes it all the more otherworldly. Instead of being jarring or out of place, it actually gives off the impression of being removed from the modern day. Sega did a pretty good job in showing the effort they put into giving the echidna a Mayan-based culture from the architecture to the chanting.
"Can't you be Little Miss Heropants some other time?"
I know this is more suited for the discussion on articles, but no matter how many times I put it in the discussions for the articles or even put up an edit reason, they seem to ignore my pleas, so here it goes:

Some people are claiming that certain Sonic games are Canon Discontinuity. I have not found a shred of proof that this is true, especially since not even the franchise's own wiki says anything about it. These people seem to really believe that these games are Canon Discontinuity by Word of God, for no one is willing to put up a source even when the edit reasons ask them to. Thus, they tend to return with little variation. A source would be nice, if they're really that convinced.

If this doesn't belong here, then the only thing I can say is this: put up a link to where you found the sources for these Canon Discontinuity claims, or don't put up the claims at all. I don't want to have to butt into a general discussion thread for the sake of articles again.

edited 13th Feb '13 1:19:08 PM by SamMax

14289 PhysicalStamina13th Feb 2013 07:18:01 AM from iiiin myyyy aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarms , Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
[up][up][up],[up][up]I prefer the SA1 version. I wish I could explain why.

edited 13th Feb '13 7:18:44 AM by PhysicalStamina

@Odd1: I think you hit every note as to why I like the SA 2 version of It Doesn't Matter more than the SA 1 version. Ironically, I like the SA 1 version of "Believe in Myself" more than the SA 2 version for similar reasons.
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14291 GroovyNerd13th Feb 2013 09:00:44 AM from Kalaan. , Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Oh lord, Game of Thrones spoilers
I kind of really, really like Follow Me. It's just stupidly addictive.

I do like both versions of 'It Doesn't Matter', but the SA 2 version is much better, if cheesier.
It's a charm. Keeps away the nargles.
14292 darkabomination13th Feb 2013 10:10:13 AM from Avalice , Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Slayer of ninjas
[up] But of course! It's Sonic, cheese is not a negative point in the series at all, it's a huge part of the charm. Sure lines like "Let's show that creep the real superpower of teamwork!" aren't exactly the coolest thing to say in an epic battle for the planet, but damn it all if it doesn't feel like one of the most Hot-Blooded Badass Boasts before taking on Metal Sonic for the first time.

When other franchises make dark and complex plots, the fanbase here says no and demands more lighthearted comedy. If you took that away it'd just be a cast of funny animals destroying mecha and gambling. Which it is, but damn if it isn't awesome.

Speaking of which, Team Chaotix is just kickass. I've been trying to make 16 bit versions of the 4 themes and What I'm Made of, but my midi convirtion software isn't very great, not even for a basic template for the notes.

edited 13th Feb '13 10:35:42 AM by darkabomination

"Can't you be Little Miss Heropants some other time?"
[up]I don't want the games any more lighthearted. Since Unleashed we've been lighthearted enough. If anything I want a more substantial plot and better fleshing out of the characters/world. Doesn't mean it has to be Grim Dark, but I'd be upset if we get more Colors/Generations kind of story telling.

I don't like the SA 2 version of It Doesn't Matter. I like the SA 1 version more, though its instrumental is the best one.

edited 13th Feb '13 11:15:35 AM by Vertigo_High

14294 darkabomination13th Feb 2013 11:46:35 AM from Avalice , Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Slayer of ninjas
Well plot and tone aren't exclusive. Generations was pretty thin despite the potential of more classic characters showing up and well many other things really. But SA 2 and SA 1 to a less extent had great plots that that had dark elements without being Grim Dark. I'm hoping the next game will start reintroducing playable characters and come up with a decent plot. The franchise isn't exactly Metalgear Solid, but the Adventure games, Rush, Unleashed, and the ending of Heroes were good.
"Can't you be Little Miss Heropants some other time?"
14295 GroovyNerd13th Feb 2013 11:55:03 AM from Kalaan. , Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Oh lord, Game of Thrones spoilers
I do think unleashed had the best balance in terms of lightness to drama ratio - mostly lighthearted fluff, but some drama intersperesed. A game with Unleashed's tone, Chronicle's charactersation and Colour's humour? Yep, I'm fine with that.
It's a charm. Keeps away the nargles.
14296 MrMallard13th Feb 2013 01:29:20 PM from Australia, mate
As rare as dolphin's teeth
Add the Tokyo Symphonic Orchestra in some way, and you can have my money for a new Sonic and a new console.
Video games, man.
14297 darkabomination13th Feb 2013 03:11:01 PM from Avalice , Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Slayer of ninjas
[up] Yeah, that was fantastic. Speaking of which, I really liked the music for the various continents, Unleashed had some of the most beautiful music in the series.
"Can't you be Little Miss Heropants some other time?"
I think in terms of representation, the themes in SA 1 were a mixed bag. The three side characters, plus some NPC had very distinctive tunes, the mood and instrumentation matched them pretty much perfectly, and when their theme blares in the background you know instantly it's their's. Gamma's theme in particular compliments the character very well.

The main three sound more generic rock, it actually took me a while they were the character's themes in particular. They are still enjoyable but they don't quite represent them as great as the others. I'll give credit the SA 2 ones do a somewhat better job.

Tails' SA 1 theme was admitedly rather upbeat and cute, fitting Tails mood wise, so might have worked rather well if they used a more quirky instrumentation rather than air guitars. Something like that used in the Tornado theme in Unleashed fits him rather well.

[up][up][up]The only part of that that sounds workable to me is Unleashed's mood. I thought Chronicles' characterizations were overglorified Flanderization, and while Colors has great points, most of the gags actually made me cringe (the DS version did a better job though).

edited 13th Feb '13 6:42:06 PM by Psi001

Knouge forever!!
I want to see a Sonic game shade the female characters can get Amusing Injuries.
I am completely, utterly, and thoroughly done with Sola Sonica and 2D
14300 Komodin13th Feb 2013 07:51:51 PM from Windy Hill Zone , Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
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[up] I'd rather not have a game that appeals to Ryona fetishists.

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