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chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#1: Feb 22nd 2011 at 2:49:20 PM

I noticed that the page Dandere has no examples. The description seems good, but it still missing a core part of a trope page. I can't think of any examples on the top of my head, but I recall seeing at least one character like this.

EDIT: And I find it very ironic that there is a Troper Tales page for it that is longer than the main page. How is that possible?

edited 22nd Feb '11 2:50:21 PM by chihuahua0

FallenLegend Lucha Libre goddess from Navel Of The Moon. Since: Oct, 2010
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#2: Feb 22nd 2011 at 3:46:01 PM

  • Toph from avatar the last airbender?
  • lighting from final fantasy XIII. She likes to pretend that she is an emotionless badass warrior. She hides a her soft side. when she bonds with the group her cheerful less serious-caring side is shown
  • Future Trunks from dragonnballz. In his first aberrance. he was shown as very very serious and polite warrior.Not surprisingly considering his past. At the end of the cell saga he Showa more if his less serious side.

edited 22nd Feb '11 3:51:36 PM by FallenLegend

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MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#3: Feb 22nd 2011 at 3:57:56 PM

Toph is the worst example, you know full well she's talkative, crud and rude regardless.

Also, this isn't a change over time trope, it's designed like the other -deres, can be one or the other at any given moment, it just takes that special someone to induce the change.

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chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#4: Feb 22nd 2011 at 4:03:09 PM

Wait, then would Haruhi Suzumiya fit under this trope?

FallenLegend Lucha Libre goddess from Navel Of The Moon. Since: Oct, 2010
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#5: Feb 22nd 2011 at 4:09:53 PM

[up][up] Toph towards his parents is entirely another person.She opened more when she met the Gaang. If it wasnt for them she would have a facade of the weak girlTough I did put a question mark because I wasn't Sure.

Lighting and Trunks arent character development

Lighting acted that way to protect serah and because She didn't want to get attached to Hope. Trunks isn't really shy when you get to know him either. Compare Future trunks with present trunks.

Lighting opnened more thanks to hope

Trunks opened more thanks to goku and Krillin.

edited 22nd Feb '11 4:16:31 PM by FallenLegend

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StarryEyed Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: If you like it, then you shoulda put a ring on it
#6: Feb 22nd 2011 at 4:54:12 PM

I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to have examples. I think this is one of those compromise pages that are supposed to keep people who think the trope should be called Dandere from having a massive Flame War with people who think the trope should be called Shrinking Violet.

chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#7: Feb 22nd 2011 at 5:12:11 PM

Well, there should've been a message on the page saying, "Please, no examples." But since it doesn't, I presume...

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#8: Feb 22nd 2011 at 5:13:52 PM

It does actually say examples don't belong on it.

See Shrinking Violet or Kuudere for the more general term and examples.

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joeyjojojuniorshabadoo Since: Nov, 2010
#9: Feb 22nd 2011 at 5:18:40 PM

So if there's no examples then why does this even-

Main/Dandere found in: 129 articles, excluding discussions.

This title has brought 1,498 people to the wiki from non-search engine links since 20th FEB '09.

Oh. Damn.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#10: Feb 22nd 2011 at 5:36:13 PM

[up]... How the hell does that work? Dandere isn't even as big as the other -deres!

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chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#11: Feb 22nd 2011 at 5:53:40 PM

It looks like Dandere appears mostly on Troper pages. But the outbound links, where do they come from...?

RandomDude Since: Aug, 2010
#12: Feb 22nd 2011 at 5:59:24 PM

I'll bet people on anime forums are linking to this site to define the term. Unlike Tsundere or Yandare, this is pretty uncommon even in otaku circles.

FallenLegend Lucha Libre goddess from Navel Of The Moon. Since: Oct, 2010
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#13: Feb 22nd 2011 at 6:07:04 PM

you guys think we should add examples?

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CrypticMirror Cryptic Mirror from Scotland Since: Jan, 2001
#14: Feb 22nd 2011 at 6:31:24 PM

I don't think we should add examples, but I think the message saying they don't belong there should be more explicit.

FallenLegend Lucha Libre goddess from Navel Of The Moon. Since: Oct, 2010
Lucha Libre goddess
#15: Feb 22nd 2011 at 7:19:08 PM

Admitedly examples are scarce. But IMO they would enrich the article.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#16: Feb 22nd 2011 at 7:57:57 PM

No, they wouldn't since they're already all covered by other tropes. This is just a term definition for something that is already a different trope.

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FallenLegend Lucha Libre goddess from Navel Of The Moon. Since: Oct, 2010
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#17: Feb 22nd 2011 at 8:06:14 PM

[up]Ok. now that you mention it. It is very similar to Shrinking Violet.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#18: Feb 22nd 2011 at 8:09:23 PM

It is. I think it might have had a fanspeak banner on it before which is why the no examples isn't more explicit.

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Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#19: Feb 23rd 2011 at 1:05:17 AM

Specifically its a Shrinking Violet who can suddenly turn normal or a chatterbox when around a certain someone (like her best friend or something but not romantic) Take Miyazaki Nodoka from Negima she falls into Shrinking Violet early in the series but she is very open with her library club members, also another of the Library club Trio Yue falls into this Emotionless Girl though before the breakdown started especially visible in her big flashback.

The key to this trope would be the person or small group of people Shrinking Violet or such are open to.

edited 23rd Feb '11 1:55:12 AM by Raso

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blacksheepgirl Black Sheep Girl from Chicago Since: Nov, 2010
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#20: Feb 23rd 2011 at 8:43:31 AM

That makes it a Sub-Trope, they have examples

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SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#21: Feb 23rd 2011 at 8:48:13 AM

This is just a term definition for something that is already a different trope.

Can't this then be a redirect to that trope, with an added mention of this term on that page? Otherwise, it just seems needlessly redundant to have the same thing in two different places.

Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#22: Feb 23rd 2011 at 8:50:21 AM

As I said 3 posts ago these are quite different.

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SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#23: Feb 23rd 2011 at 8:58:57 AM

Then why can't it allow examples?

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#25: Feb 23rd 2011 at 9:30:02 AM

The ultimate question about examples is, can anyone think of a Dandere who doesn't also fit one of the subtropes?


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