ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike accusation: Teaching The Player Wrong

Ignore the crummy mark up dump, a cosmetic issue, and think on the trope: Complaining about tutorials you don't like, much? Oh yeah, sure, "a badly made tutorial section can impact on game play" blah blah blah...but there's no pattern, no recurring formation of fictional elements, it's just a list of complaints about tutorials.

Looks like it. Has this one actually been launched or is it transitioning from YKTTW?

edited 21st Feb '11 12:50:28 PM by halfmillennium

Someone launched a stub, left the mark-up behind. I just throw Ctrl-A, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-P on there so that you could see the discussion when you go to the page and so that, if the page survives, it is up there.

Here's the easier to read YKTTW entry.

Thanks.

Based on the fact that there are two entries which are actual examples of the game giving incorrect information, and the others are just people accusing the game of not giving them other information, I'd suggest a cut if the admins would agree.

I think the core idea of the tutorial giving you information that is flat out wrong is tropable, but the current page needs to be cut and sent back to YKTTW to be fleshed out. It shouldn't just be something that you aren't told. It should be something that you are explicitly told that isn't true.

I could see "omissions" being a proper part of the trope, but only if it's the omission of some truly central game mechanic. Like, oh, I dunno, a driving game that doesn't tell you how to shift gears?

Trouble is, I'm sure that if the trope definition allows for that, it'll instantaneously be filled with stuff like "I can't believe the tutorial doesn't cover how vitally important the Oxygen-Enhanced Carbeurator item is when doing the penultimate race mission if it happens to occur at night in the rain and your opponent is Racer X!"

If nobody minds. I am cleaning up all the discussion parts. that aren't part of the main description.

edited 21st Feb '11 11:54:45 PM by FallenLegend

Are there enough tutorials that are intentionally misleading to fuck with the player's head as part of a Mind Screw that it would make a trope?

There's already The Computer Is a Lying Bastard for when a game gives the player false information. Is there any reason to have another trope specifically for tutorials?

Didn't know about that trope. Let's cut this, it seems like whining and I can't think of a way to tropify it other than that.

"Cleaning up all the discussion parts," at least that way, was the wrong thing to do, because the YKTTW copy contained most of the examples.

From what I can tell, this refers to Tutorials that are misleading or just seemingly forget about a huge (And obvious) part of the game.

Like the Team Fortress 2 example. Team Fortress 2 isn't bad, but a tutorial should show the basics of all the classes, since many of them (Engie or Medic, anyone?) have drastically different gameplay, and classes are the core of the game.

Yeah, I'd say it's complaining, but a trope on actual misleading tutorials (Spider-Man The Movie Game, anyone?) would be nice.

edited 25th Feb '11 7:30:00 PM by Scardoll

No, no one knows what you mean by Spider-man the movie the game but I suspect it is something that could go on The Computer Is a Lying Bastard. The aforementioned trope contains what could be the only clear, objective and pattern forming part of Teaching The Player Wrong. However the description and examples of teachingThePlayerWrong leaves it open to anyone just putting in where only they feel something was off with the tutorial and with a very subjective idea of how it is "wrong".

Actually, it involves the narrator lying to the player for comedy value during the tutorial.

Bruce Campbell Is A Lying Bastard? Well that would be comedic.

There isn't any really interesting examples on this page, so I wouldn't mind it being cut and sent off to YKTTW for improvement. So says Beary!

How about Tutorial Omission? The way I see it, this is about tutorials that don't teach an element of gameplay, or that teach something that is incorrect (e.g. because of a translation error). I don't think we can guess whether the tutorial does so intentionally as a Mind Screw.

Bump. Should we send this back to YKTTW after all?

I think there is a reasonable case for dropping this one. Let's try a crowner. Attached.

It's been cut. Locking thread.