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Why are U.S. foreign military bases good/bad?:

Sure, they might have done men in uniform, but the important thing is, will they do them in the future? tongue

There's something primally attractive about a soldier to be sure, but it would be a stressful relationship, and frustrating when he's deployed.
"War doesn't prove who's right, only who's left."

"Every saint has a past, every sinner has a future."
It's not just chicks who love guys in uniform. For me military gear is just about the sexiest thing a guy can possibly wear. [lol]

edited 20th Feb '11 8:28:54 PM by Capt.Fargle

 
 128 Blue Ninja 0, Sun, 20th Feb '11 8:45:21 PM from The Middle of Nowhere Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Plotting my Escape
There's something primally attractive about a soldier to be sure, but it would be a stressful relationship, and frustrating when he's deployed. - Other Handle
It's stressful and frustrating for both parties - while in port a few days ago, my wife was apparently sending me several e-mails, which I didn't receive because I wasn't anywhere near a computer, and was really pissed off at me by the last one. We straightened things out later, but little, basically worthless little things can get spun up into major arguments surprisingly quickly. Plus there's the aggravation of separate lives - those of us deployed having friction with other sailors/soldiers, families at home dealing with essentially being a single parent for half a year or more, etc.

And that's not even counting what the Navy refers to as West Pac  * Widows, the wives who wait for the day the ship leaves and then go out and find themselves a temporary boyfriend who they dump a day or two before the ship returns. I don't know what other services call the same situation.  *  **  ***
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 129 Tuefel Hunden IV, Sun, 20th Feb '11 9:34:53 PM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchmen of the Apocalypse
Blue Ninja hit the nail on the head. I witnessed the strain with my parents and endured a bit of it myself.
"Who watches the watchmen?"
 130 Barkey, Sun, 20th Feb '11 10:09:12 PM from Bunker 051 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War Profiteer
^^

We don't necessarily have a name for it or that specific problem as an epidemic, what's common with us is women who live on base and have deployed husbands will leave a broom or some other identifying object in front of their porch to signify that their husband is away, signalling that they are good to go.

Trust me, I've responded to plenty of domestics from those sort of fuckups.

Gay perverse sexual lust over men in uniform kind of makes my skin crawl involuntarily. I have a gay friend who talks about that sort of thing just to bug me, it does. Especially when he puts "hawt" as a comment on every facebook picture I have in uniform. Fucking creepy.

edited 20th Feb '11 10:10:22 PM by Barkey

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 131 Blue Ninja 0, Sun, 20th Feb '11 10:38:40 PM from The Middle of Nowhere Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Plotting my Escape
[up] Apparently we have similar taste in gay friends. [lol] Except I take it as a compliment rather than creepy.

And yes, I've heard (though not seen) the same.  *
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 132 pvtnum 11, Sun, 20th Feb '11 11:51:05 PM from Kerbin low orbit Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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What goes on during WestPac stays at WestPac. The WestPac Widow thing cuts both ways. Couples hooking up for that looooong stretch of deployment.

Boomer Widows are another one - my boss ended up divorcing his first over something about that. Not that he liked being a Boomer fag anyway, he said that he had to do [perverse act] to get the taste out of his mouth. Or something.

Anyway, yeah - being in the military while married is basically asking for heartache and trouble to come pay you a visit.

edited 20th Feb '11 11:51:39 PM by pvtnum11

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 133 Blue Ninja 0, Mon, 21st Feb '11 12:00:48 AM from The Middle of Nowhere Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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[up] Point, and it was unfair of me to only single out the spouses at home. I've certainly known plenty of unfaithful assholes who think that they can pick up a hooker, or that cute chick in the galley, because their wife is halfway around the world and won't know about it. Of course, I've seen plenty of them get caught and suffer the consequences, while I don't see that for the spouses at home.
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 134 Mark Von Lewis, Mon, 21st Feb '11 12:06:56 AM from Somewhere in Time Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
KCCO
That stuff is kind of why if I do get into the military my singleness would be a benefit in my opinion.

edited 21st Feb '11 12:12:52 AM by MarkVonLewis

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Well if any of you guys ever feel like getting compliments about your uniforms now you know where to come to......

I wish we had a "Suggestive Eyebrow Waggle" smiley. wink
 
 136 Blue Ninja 0, Mon, 21st Feb '11 12:58:15 AM from The Middle of Nowhere Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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[up][up] There are a number of advantages to being married to someone you can trust - someone to take care of your stuff, someone to communicate with to remind you of "normal" life.  *

Then there's the more neutral reasons, like extra pay benefits, permission to live off base/off ship, and certain programs to help families that aren't there for singles.  *

Of course there's plenty of bad reasons to get married that I don't think I need to get into here. tongue

It's not a bad thing to get married while in the military, but it works much better if the spouse has at least some exposure to military life, even if it's only as your fiance/girlfriend. Most of the problems I've seen have been a result of a couple getting married right before a deployment for the pay and family benefits, when they definitely weren't ready to get married at all.

All of this goes more than double for getting married to a foreign national, which happens semi-frequently in countries like Germany, Japan, and other fairly pro-Western nations we have bases. Not only does the spouse then have to adjust to military life, they have to adjust to American cultural norms and practices. And that's assuming the spouse didn't marry them just to get to the US and divorce them the moment they have citizenship - which I've also seen a few times.

[up] Assuming you could find a photo of me in uniform, feel free to compliment away, but I already promised my gay friend Angel that he gets first crack at me if I ever cross to that side of the sexuality line. tongue

edited 21st Feb '11 1:01:54 AM by BlueNinja0

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 137 Mark Von Lewis, Mon, 21st Feb '11 1:00:32 AM from Somewhere in Time Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
KCCO
Yeah, I'd be damn tempted to marry a hot German chick if the chance arose.

But there have been a number of Terminal Lance strips about the problems with people marrying for ill-thought out reasons in the military.
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 138 Tuefel Hunden IV, Mon, 21st Feb '11 1:18:13 AM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchmen of the Apocalypse
I love that comic.

Blue Ninja: Your our resident squid right?:P

Any of you been to the SAC base? Bellevue out side its gates is chock full of military and retirees from the military. There is a whole strip of businesses that exist because the base is there.
"Who watches the watchmen?"
 139 Blue Ninja 0, Mon, 21st Feb '11 1:23:43 AM from The Middle of Nowhere Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Plotting my Escape
[up] I am the token sailor here, yes. waii

If you mean Bellevue near Seattle, I'm afraid that's a bit further south than I usually get. When home, I rarely get further south than Bothell (and that only when I'm gaming).

[edit] [up][up] People get married for ill-thought-out reasons all the damn time. But being in the military and subject to deployment is just adding a big helping of stress onto the regular issues with being married, which is why I think divorce rates are higher in the military.

edited 21st Feb '11 1:25:27 AM by BlueNinja0

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 140 Tuefel Hunden IV, Mon, 21st Feb '11 1:32:09 AM from Wandering. Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Watchmen of the Apocalypse
I meant Bellevue Nebraska near Offut Airforce Base.
"Who watches the watchmen?"
 141 Blue Ninja 0, Mon, 21st Feb '11 2:47:34 AM from The Middle of Nowhere Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Plotting my Escape
I have no idea where that is, Teufel.

One of the bases up near Seattle was facing the loss of an aircraft carrier - mine - next year when we go to Virginia for a full overhall and reactor maintenance. The city was literally panicked that the local economy would collapse the moment 5000 sailors and their families moved across the country.

I have read several articles about the proposed base changes in Japan and Okinawa. Businesses are fighting tooth and nail to keep the bases where they are, because the 99.5% of military that aren't total worthless douchebags make their lives possible. The public, who see constant military coverage of the 0.5% of military personnel who are criminal douchebags are fighting tooth and nail to make the bases move.
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 142 Barkey, Mon, 21st Feb '11 7:35:30 AM from Bunker 051 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War Profiteer
Any of you been to the SAC base? Bellevue out side its gates is chock full of military and retirees from the military. There is a whole strip of businesses that exist because the base is there.

Look out Tuef, your age is showing. ;)

SAC got dissolved, we have things like AFSOC and Space & Missile Command now, unless you meant something else. SAC used to be the majcom in charge of all our nuke bases and special ops bases. Offut is where our SERE program is based.

That being said, I'll admit I have trouble with it. I've hooked up with foreign women while I've been abroad before, but I'm a bit of a hopeless romantic, I don't like "hookups", I want a wife. Unfortunately, the type of women I like, the smart, sassy, self-respecting type who aren't as shallow as a puddle, don't go for military guys unless they are military women in the first place. My girlfriend is Navy, she comes home from Iraq in like a week, but she's probably PC Sing to a new base soon as she is active duty and I won't be going with her. -sigh-

When my uncle was in the Army, he did marry a German girl and bring her back to the states though. Good ol Aunt Ulric.(Pronounced Yooly)

edited 21st Feb '11 7:36:14 AM by Barkey

The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.
 143 Dorkus, Mon, 21st Feb '11 10:00:25 PM Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Oy, Blue's close to me.
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 144 Blue Ninja 0, Mon, 21st Feb '11 10:58:49 PM from The Middle of Nowhere Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Plotting my Escape
Unless you're somewhere between Singapore and Guam, you're not that close to me right now. tongue
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 145 Dorkus, Mon, 21st Feb '11 10:59:49 PM Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Your home base is close to me tongue
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 146 Mark Von Lewis, Mon, 21st Feb '11 10:59:59 PM from Somewhere in Time Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
KCCO
Alright question: if I do get into the Army, aside from the desert where else could I reasonably expect to travel to?
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Long Live the King
As in where you could be stationed? It all really depends on what you're specialization is.

My father was in the Signal Corps (specialized Infantry), and we lived all over (Germany, Arizona, Hawaii, Korea, and Colorado are the notable five). My uncle was in the Cavalry (Armor. M1s and M2s), and did tours in Iraq, but was stationed out of Fort Irwin (CA) and Fort Hood (TX), primarily, although he retired in Fort Knox, Kentucky (Training soldiers to use the M1 was done in Kentucky. It's moving to Fort Benning, GA this year).

Of course, officers tend to get "better" selections of where they want to be...

edited 22nd Feb '11 12:20:03 AM by Swish

 148 Barkey, Tue, 22nd Feb '11 12:21:12 AM from Bunker 051 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War Profiteer
Alright question: if I do get into the Army, aside from the desert where else could I reasonably expect to travel to?

Germany is a definite expectation for an overseas Army visit. Before the war, it used to be that most people rotated at least once through there in their career before they retired so they could get a taste of what it's like to be in another country.
The AR-15 is responsible for 95% of all deaths each year. The rest of the deaths are from obesity and drone strikes.
[up] Which war are you talking about? I'm just interested, because I wasn't aware the US military had any sort of military base in Germany before the end of WW 2(which is frankly considered The War)

 150 Barkey, Tue, 22nd Feb '11 1:53:33 PM from Bunker 051 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War Profiteer
No, I mean before 9/11. We didn't have any major deployed locations between then and Korea/Nam, so in the decades between that the Army sent almost everyone on at least one Germany tour if they could, so they had that foreign experience. The Air Force mostly used Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Germany, as well as RAF Mildenhall and RAF Lakenheath in the UK.

Now it's just sort of like "Meh, you might go to Europe someday. You will go to the middle east eventually."

edited 22nd Feb '11 1:53:59 PM by Barkey

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