Agreed. Avatar The Last Airbender is ulimately a Good Versus Evil story but lacks Black-and-White Morality. Same is true of Harry Potter and countless other series.
edited 15th Feb '11 3:34:09 PM by RhymeBeat
The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.IIRC these were Merged a while back. (But I completely agree on splitting.)
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!Support split.
Fight smart, not fair.Another vote for split. There can be clear good guys and clear bad guys without falling fully into Black-and-White Morality.
Forgot about this... Should we run a quick crowner? There seems to be no opposition though.
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!It might be a good idea to have a crowner, the people's opinion more ambiguous than it seems.
Some people say I'm lazy. It's hard to disagree.Er...bump?
Some people say I'm lazy. It's hard to disagree.Sounds like a legitimate split... a lot of stories have pretty good guys that aren't so white and pretty bad guys that aren't so black. You can still have a good side and an evil side, but have the individual characters on each be more like a Morality Kitchen Sink.
edited 25th Jul '11 10:39:13 PM by tropetown
I'm against a split. Good vs. evil is an appropriate synonym for black and white morality, and I don't see the gain in a split if there are already tropes which contain the other cases (grey and gray/Black/white)
I support a split. Black-and-White Morality sounds like it should be about the less nuanced cases, while Good Versus Evil sounds much wider in scope.
definitely support a split.
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.Black-and-White Morality sounds like morality that never has any shades of grey to it. It is always stark, and consistent. There are no anti-heroes. No one ever does anything morally ambiguous. The evil characters are never sympathetic and never do anything nice ever.
Good vs. Evil is much broader. There are shades of grey in it. It's the supertrope and it's an eternal struggle that is both internal and external.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickA split is necessary, I think. These are different tropes.
Split. On the surface, they look like the same, but not always is good completely white and evil competely black.
edited 9th Aug '11 6:14:43 AM by Nyarly
People aren't as awful as the internet makes them out to be.Those are simply two different things - one is a binary way of measurement, another is an axis to which it may sometimes be applied. So it doesn't fit on the other side either: "honorable-dishonorable", "necessary-needless", "blue-orange" may be played as extremely Black-and-White Morality, and still (or even especially in such cases) have very little to do with Good Versus Evil.
...And even I make no pretense Of having more than common sense - R.W.WoodI suppose Good Versus Evil is going to be part of the Omnipresent Tropes?
"Stealing is a crime and drugs is a crime too BUT if you steal drugs the two crimes cancel out and it’s like basically doing a good."I don't think it gets a lot of play in slice-of-life fiction, which is a pretty common and widespread genre, so I'd be inclined to say no, but don't feel strongly about it.
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.And what about Evil Versus Evil or flat out Grey-and-Grey Morality?
edited 13th Aug '11 1:38:12 PM by BioTube
Flat out Good vs. Evil is pretty much a stock Fantasy thing. (or Propaganda)
Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!The current write-up and examples tell us Black And White And Gray Morality.
What is an example of Black-and-White Morality that does not invoke Good Versus Evil ?
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.Black-and-White Morality is a subtrope of Good Versus Evil. The former is completely and spotlessly good versus wholly and entirely evil, with no "shades of grey" (ie, some good and some evil in the same person/group). All Black-and-White Morality is also Good Versus Evil, but not all Good Versus Evil is Black-and-White Morality.
edited 13th Aug '11 6:17:07 PM by NativeJovian
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Good Versus Evil and Black-and-White Morality certainly overlap, but they aren't quite the same thing, especially when there are increasingly numerous stories which have the forces of good versus the forces of evil, but apply other Shades of Conflict in them.
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