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Redefine or Better Distinguish Merchandise Driven & The Merch:

 1 Agent 0042, Fri, 11th Feb '11 8:09:20 AM from Dayton, Ohio
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People seem to be using them almost as equivalent tropes when they're really not. In the description for Merchandise-Driven, it starts out by stating that something that's Merchandise Driven "is not merely a television show with a line of toys licensed on the side, but a television show created from a line of toys." Sounds like a clear and solid definition, but then things start to get murkier - "some shows can start out independent, and later become Merchandise Driven after too much success." However, there is something in there that sounds like a key dividing line "the key difference between this and normal licensed merchandising is that here, it is the toy manufacturer who dictates the show's Canon."

And yet, both the page for Merchandise Driven and the rest of the Wiki are filled with examples such as this:

"Digimon. Notable as the marketers didn't care about anything except the merchandise and gave the anime writers a free hand, with diverse results. One even features merchadising from the franchise in the show!"

"Word World. Tons of merchandise sold at Target. The new characters introduced for merchandise who don't appear in the show presumably have been Killed Off For Real."

I propose that if there is no evidence that the toy manufacturer is controlling the development of the show, then those items get moved from Merchandise-Driven to The Merch. And both are appropriately tagged to make it more clear that Merchandise Driven is only for when the program itself actually is driven by the merchandise.
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 2 Dragon Quest Z, Fri, 11th Feb '11 8:14:14 AM from Somewhere in California
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Then Merchandise-Driven is a poor name, as "driven" implies "this is what determines the direction of the show", not "this show used to be a toy line, and then it became a show".

I say split off the first definition into a name that makes the meaning clear. Something like The Show Of The Toy?
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 3 Ookamikun, Fri, 11th Feb '11 10:12:43 AM from the lupine den
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I don't understand that Digimon entry. The merchandise from the anime has been conceived earlier before it airs.
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 4 Madrugada, Fri, 11th Feb '11 11:50:14 AM Relationship Status: In season
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The Merch isn't simply "Merchandise associated with a work."

It's "Selling this stuff is what pays the bills and allows the work to exist."
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 5 Dragon Quest Z, Fri, 11th Feb '11 11:57:47 AM from Somewhere in California
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[up]Then that's another bad name, as it implies being more general than the trope actually is.

And on that note, why would we need to limit it that way? How is that specific reason for merchandising significant?
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 6 Deboss, Fri, 11th Feb '11 12:22:11 PM from Awesomeville Texas
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Merchandise Supported sounds like the best name for The Merch.
 7 Madrugada, Fri, 11th Feb '11 12:41:10 PM Relationship Status: In season
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It what the term is used for. It's a pre-existing term. That's why it's limited that way. We went over all this before The Merch was launched.

edited 11th Feb '11 12:42:26 PM by Madrugada

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 8 Dragon Quest Z, Fri, 11th Feb '11 12:53:34 PM from Somewhere in California
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Well in this case, the pre-existing term doesn't work. The reason is the loads of misuse and no qualifier in the term to make the specifics of the trope clear.

The easiest thing to do would just be to expand the trope to merchandising in general, as that a) fits the use, and b) the merchandising is merchandising, no matter the reason.

edited 11th Feb '11 12:54:05 PM by DragonQuestZ

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 9 Agent 0042, Fri, 11th Feb '11 6:21:16 PM from Dayton, Ohio
Creator - Laconic/24
How can you even tell? I would assume that pretty much any officially licensed merchandise related to a work supports it in some way. For example, I believe TV Tropes still gets most of its revenue from advertising, but that didn't stop somebody from noting at the bottom of the page for The Merch that TV Tropes now has its own merchandise store.

So if that were what distinguishes it, then where would be the dividing line? If more than half of what supports the show comes from merchandise? 25%? And how would you even find out?

Oh, and could somebody add the Trope Repair Shop emblem to the top of both tropes? It said that when I created this that if it covers more than one trope, then the banner can be added manually, so I'm making that request.

edited 11th Feb '11 6:22:25 PM by Agent0042

“I just think that's really shady."
"Shady?!" - Stephanie & Chad, The Amazing Race 17
 10 Agent 0042, Wed, 16th Feb '11 10:46:05 PM from Dayton, Ohio
Creator - Laconic/24
Requesting again that somebody add the banners, please.
“I just think that's really shady."
"Shady?!" - Stephanie & Chad, The Amazing Race 17
 11 Agent 0042, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 10:50:21 AM from Dayton, Ohio
Creator - Laconic/24
Okay, so I guess this thread just sort of died, but unless anyone has any objection, I'd like to propose the following. In order for the entry to remain under Merchandise Driven, there must be clear reason to believe that either:

A.) The program and associated media were created specifically for the purposes of marketing a toy line B.) The people that make the toys have some sort of creative control over the direction of the program.

If there's no evidence for either of those, then the examples will be moved to The Merch.
“I just think that's really shady."
"Shady?!" - Stephanie & Chad, The Amazing Race 17
 12 Vampire Buddha, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 2:23:37 PM from Right behind you Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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Sounds fair to me.

Also, while this is under discussion, can The Merch please be renamed to Merchandise for the reason that 'The Merch' is a one-off Penny Arcade gag, while 'Merchandise' is what this stuff is actually called?

 13 Madrugada, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 2:42:38 PM Relationship Status: In season
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On the contrary. The Merch is a term that was in use in the real world, long before Penny Arcade used it.

edited 2nd Mar '11 2:42:57 PM by Madrugada

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 14 shimaspawn, Wed, 2nd Mar '11 2:53:57 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Yes, sadly The Merch is what it's called in the real world by real people to mean Mechandise associated with a work as opposed to just stuff you buy with no logos.
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