Rename?: Marc Anthony And Pussyfoot

Blah blah, guess that trope (if you're not familiar with the work the characters come from of course).

I came across it by hitting random a few times, and realised I would have no idea what it was if I saw it linked.

The trope itself... it seems like the kind of thing that would already exist in other, better-named forms.

No peeking now, the trope is;

a size mis-matched duo. The smaller/weaker character gets protection from their naivety by the larger.

I've seen some of the cartoons these guys were part of, or at least I think I have, but I wouldn't recognise the names as being linked to them, and I'm fairly sure they're simply not very well-known. Thoughts?

edited 11th Feb '11 10:24:20 AM by mmysqueeant

Mostly I can play the "guess the meaning" game and win, but this time I can't play at all - tainted by the knowledge: the names Marc Anthony And Pussyfoot only mean anything to me thanks to the cartoon.

The name is pretty much 80% OK, the trope is not wrongly named, and the name is concise and witty. I don't have an idea about inbound links or whatever. And it could seriously use a searchable redirect.

And although I think the name is OK, I do get the impression that this same trope is somewhere else on the wiki...

Aside from all the other issues - character-named trope with an obscure source, nothing indicative in the name if you don't know the origin - isn't this stealing a work title too? Usually shorts like these didn't have any name other than those of the main character(s).

edited 11th Feb '11 10:00:26 AM by Shale

Only 15 wiks 19 inbounds which is really really low for as often as I've seen this trope.

It's also the name of a work.

↑ and above: That's simple, then: Marc Anthony And Pussyfoot (assuming I've got the namespace a'ight).

edited 11th Feb '11 10:28:50 AM by SilentReverence

Can we call it Small Guy Big Friend?

& Point.

The name is pretty much 80% OK, the trope is not wrongly named, and the name is concise and witty. I don't have an idea about inbound links or whatever. And it could seriously use a searchable redirect.

I don't think it's witty at all, it could be more concise if it wasn't tied to being the name of some characters (who are apparently the name of the work they were in). I definitely don't think it's 80% OK, and as far as I can tell it's about as wrongly named as it is possible to get.

The only major potential issue I could see with a rename is whether the characters are widely-known enough to warrant naming the trope after them - none of the responses so far, or the inbound links, are really compelling evidence for that.

A minor issue could be that the name suggests Badly Battered Babysitter, rather than the trope, if you are familiar with the work.

edited 11th Feb '11 10:36:21 AM by mmysqueeant

My first guesses were: an indecisive leader (or dragon) or an indecisive lover, and my next was a cartoon featuring both historical figures and anthros. I never would have come up with the actual definition. I agree that this is a fairly common trope with a too-obscure name. A redirect is the minimum that should be done, and I think an actual rename could be justified.

(The sad part is that I've even seen the cartoon the title is based on, but had no idea what the character's names were.)

Doing something might be easier if we had some suggestions, but I'm drawing a bit of a blank. Tank And Tissue? Meh.

It's definitely not the name of a work, what ever other problems it may have. Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies were always named, and to the best of my knowledge, none were named Marc Anthony And Pussyfoot.

edited 11th Feb '11 11:23:31 AM by Daremo

Individual shorts were named. The series just go by "Bugs Bunny", "Wile E Coyote And The Roadrunner," and so forth.

This is a textbook case of a bad character-named trope. Fails the One Mario Limit (because of Mark Antony); has no Pop-Cultural Osmosis to speak of; has few inbounds and wicks; and is being actively misused in the examples list to refer to any size-mismatched pair regardless of their relationship (the trope requires the larger character to protect the smaller character from danger).

Still not a work.

At this point Daremo, not the point, still not a good name for the trope and a change is needed.

I never said it was, but incorrect statements should not be left uncontested. If they are known to be incorrect, they should be corrected.

Fine, then it's the title commonly used to refer to a work that lacks an official collective title. Happy?

I'd say "to a series of works" rather than "a work", but yes, that's better.

Right, then at this point this trope objectively has a horrible horrible name according to Everything You Wanted To Know About Changing Titles. Shall we move on to brain storming new titles?

edited 11th Feb '11 12:28:10 PM by shimaspawn

Change.

Large Guardian Small Charge?

edited 11th Feb '11 12:27:56 PM by Deboss

I certainly wouldn't mind that. Although I'd prefer it to be more concise, personally.

I never said it was, but incorrect statements should not be left uncontested. If they are known to be incorrect, they should be corrected.

I think I may have found a kindred spirit...

Anyway... hmm... maybe Little Guy, Big Buddy or something along those lines?

edited 14th Feb '11 10:55:00 AM by KnownUnknown

Well, since the trope is all about the size dynamic, do we need to mention the "little" half the of the duo at all? "Bigger Protector" or something like that might work.

If it's about the dynamic, we need to mention that. If we don't, and just use something like Bigger Protector, people will use it as a character trope.

Well, if we want to be literal, Bulldog and Kitten.

↑...And that sounds completely adorable as well. I'd say go for it if we have to completely rename.