Should this only apply to certain works and universes: Most Common Super Power

Now see I was counting this as a requirement is at least DD and above if we are saying Bs and above then its gets pretty stupid as pretty much every action anime series has that (exception for the Token Loli) when they don't they are Angsting about it.

edited 15th Mar '11 8:32:52 PM by Raso

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D cup being small is part of this trope when viewed in aggregate. I think that's the part that you aren't getting. It's not about one work. It's about the genre. The trope is a trope because it's so interwoven with the genre. 99 out of 100 western superheroes have very large chests. That is what this trope is saying. It's talking about the whole genre. All of it. Not a series here or there. Not a character or two. No Token Loli. The whole genre. If it's not the Whole Genre, it Does Not Count.

You yourself have proven that it's not the whole genre in anime. Thus you have conclusively proven that it should not be allowed as examples.

What you have proven is the need for a supertrope for shows that are entirely chesty women.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

Again if its the whole Genre why isn't it an example-less Useful Notes page? (And that is generous it should be just a footnote on the Super Hero page.) and red link the teribad name that people take at face value and consider series specific and not genre. and Make a Series specific large cast of Action Girl s all have big boobs sans the Token Loli. (which is what those examples I listed have.)

Also X Men have had Pettanko members before they had a whole crew of them at one time The New Mutants? IIRC.

edited 15th Mar '11 9:24:56 PM by Raso

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Because it's still a Trope. It's just only a trope in aggregate. A trope doesn't stop being a trope when you can only see it by looking at the genre all together. In fact, that is the definition of a trope. A pattern that emerges when one looks at media as a whole.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

Not really if its the entire genre then it would just be a quick sentience on the actual genre's page since its something that is required to be the genre (or so you have made it seem). Or since there are no aversions or anything to that effect then it would probably be just an exampleless trope but thats not going to stop the massive amount of "misuse" to where people are using the trope by series or by person.

(And since ya agree on the whole everyone is busty thing head over to to the Buxom Is Better thread and give input )

Anyway I give up.

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They had one Pettanko member: Kitty Pryde. Every other character had largeish breasts. And the New Mutants were adolescent mutants, thus why some of them (not all) were Pettankos. And the majority of the time? The artist would draw them with breasts anyway.

When the majority of artists draw the majority of female characters in a genre with large breasts, that is this trope.

(Sorry I Skipped Some Posts)

I think a better anime example of Most Common Superpower than Negima might be Gantz- Off the top of my head, all the female Gantz fighters (at least from the manga version) are busty. Hm. On second thought, there is one who's not, the stalker girl from the second and third battle, but other than that, they are. It's also much closer to the superhero genre- a bunch of individuals brought together to fight world-ending threats, wearing form-fitting suits which give them super strength and Nigh-Invulnerability. Also, there's a masquerade.

Defining Shonen characters as Superheros- Hm. Dragonball Z's main cast would probably count as super heroes, but it's not really in the super hero genre. Normal humans don't ever really get involved (except to show them getting annihilated occasionally). The first season of Bleach probably would, although once they start going to the soul society and the desert, that goes right out the window. Naruto wouldn't, since being a ninja is pretty much something everyone does. Some Magical Girl stuff likely would, but that's not my genre of choice, so, wouldn't know.

I think defining it as "In a work in the superhero genre, >90% of the female characters are busty" works. Boobs Of Steel- The most powerful fighters have the largest breasts. Chest Full Of MP might work for magical/psychic characters.

They lost me. Forgot me. Made you from parts of me. If you're the One, my father's son, what am I supposed to be?

The key words here are "come across": yes, these protagonists are all good guys—they'll help people they run into, and even save the world when it comes to that, but helping people isn't what they do. In this respect, they're little different from a person who decides to stop and console someone they find crying, or who returns a lost wallet to its owner—they help people because happenstance allowed them to, not because they were looking for people to help. Note that we're not meant to assume that Goku's been regularly helping random people out in the gap between Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z—we're meant to believe he was living a more-or-less mundane life as a husband and father. While I'm not a super-fan, none of the Sailor Moon episodes I've seen—all the first season and assorted episodes from others—feature Sailor Moon fighting mundane crime in her heroic identity. She'll help regular people, sure—but only as Serena/Usagi, and in plots that are inevitably linked to the Big Bad of the moment. In fact—to use an example cribbed from this article, part of which deals with precisely the difference between Western and Japanese heroes—in one episode where Sailor Moon is impersonated, the fact that the impostor is seen stopping a perfectly mundane bank robbery is one of the clues indicating that things aren't kosher.

Super-heroes, on the other hand, are all about actively looking for people to help and crime to stop. Spider-Man and Batman and Buffy patrol. Superman keeps an ear out for crimes. If a Superman story gives us a five-year time gap and we're told that he continued operating as Superman, we can be certain that he's spent it fighting crime and saving people.

Further reinforcing this point: one of the ongoing points of contention regarding the X-Men is precisely about whether they strictly count as super-heroes or not, given that their main purpose is to serve as pro-mutant activists and educators, and not to stop crime and save people. One of the recent X-Men miniseries, in fact, is based on the premise that the X-Men are stopping non-mutant crime, which is treated like a departure from the norm. Similarly, the TMNT (2003) episode "The Unconvincing Turtle Titan" Makes the argument that while the turtles fulfill many super-hero tropes and have fought crime (including, at this point, "killing" the Big Bad, a crime-lord with definite super-villain trappings) they aren't super-heroes because they don't head out and fight crime indiscriminately.

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I think we're approaching an epiphany.

There are no animanganime examples because this is a Western cultural trope within the superhero genre.

Negima, DBZ, other shonen examples, can be rejected out of hand for that reason alone.

Unfortunately, the precedent in the past seems to have been "if you think your trope is extra-special and restricted to your own favorite culture coughcough-Anime Tropes-coughcough, it isn't and you just suffer from Fan Myopia." (The cleanup on the childhood friends and harem anime tropes, however, suggest that legit Japanese cultural tropes may be making a comeback.)

Do we have any other "tropes in aggregate" we can refer to, or do the people requesting for it to be made a Useful Notes or footnote or just bolted for being PSOC have a point?

Almost all tropes are tropes in aggregate. This one just happens to take a larger sample size. For example No Periods, Period wouldn't be a trope if it just happened a time or two, but when you look at all works as a whole it becomes a trope.

edited 16th Mar '11 7:25:24 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

What about cases like My Super Ex Girlfriend were one of the characters gets superpowers along with bigger breasts after being exposed to Green Rocks? Note that the film is clearly inspired my traditional comic book superheroes.

Anyway, I like ccoa idea of merging this trope with Heroic Build. Heroic Build, I'm pretty sure, is supposed to be a unisex trope anyways so I don't see the difficultly in creating a female section on the page and using the same Exceptions, Justifications and exaggeration format.

Another trope that's on the extreme end of aggregate tropes is Acceptable Feminine Goals (although that one is being re-worked). One woman choosing to be a pediatrician or baker over a doctor or soldier is a coincidence. 90% of women choosing "nurturing" careers over more "masculine" ones is a trend. If it wasn't so common, it really wouldn't be a trope anymore (or so depressing).

Although in this case, I'd say this trope is just as prevalent in Japanese media than it is in Western, if not more.

The My Super Ex Girlfriend is an example of a Justified Trope (with a helping of a Lampshade Hanging) - bustiness is explicitly part of superpowers. This movie is within the Western comic book genre - note that we are talking about a genre, not a medium. Genres can cross mediums.

edited 17th Mar '11 7:15:04 AM by ccoa

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.

Crowner time?

I think My Super Ex Girlfriend counts regardless as it's a lampshade.

Fight smart, not fair.

x5 That was uncalled for...

Again if a work from another medium uses the trope it should count. Sweat Drop first started in Comedy Animes but has spread across the pond to a few Western Animation shows... since the entire genre doesn't use it then they dont count?

Panty Fighters in general have big breasts since the point is to watch them bounce as they fight Gainixing except the Token Loli and non-combatants X Men had their Token Loli till she grew up.

I would say that this is far more blatant in Panty Fighters due to excessive bounce and Clothing Damage

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I don't think you're getting the argument. Sweat Drop's trope-ability isn't dependent on its universality—it's not a trope because it's widely used, but because it's used. While this is true of a lot of trope, it isn't true of others. Some have mentioned No Periods, Period. The claim that no male bisexuals exist on TV is another.

To use a different example, The Bechdel Test doesn't say much of anything when applied to individual movies or works. Just because one movie or series doesn't feature two or more women who then go on to have a conversation between each other that doesn't involve men doesn't say anything other than that bare fact. It's only when this is taken to a broader space—when you realize that most movies or works don't feature this—that it gains worth as a social and mediatic observation. Similarly, Most Common Super Power, the argument goes, doesn't say anything when it's applied to only to a few works—it's only when 90% of super-heroines show this trait—to the point where works begin correlating gaining super-powers with an increase in bust size (Gen13, My Super Ex Girlfriend))— that something's being said besides "this woman has large breasts".

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That test only becomes notable when a work passes. Hence why I was saying only adversions allowed or no examples period on this page.

Anyway say Sweat Drop or Tsundere was defined as 90% of comedy animes use this for that screw any other medium even though there are examples in other genres and other mediums. The trope would be in the repair shop in 10 seconds. That's what this and that's my problem with it it's restrictive to one genre and only that. When this trope could easily be defined as "90% of the Heroines and villainesses have big breasts (big is a relative term since B-Cups seem to be considered for this) while everyone else doesn't" on a work by work basis that's a trope and Super Hero Comics would be the codifer and it's the way it's been treated (well sort of I have seen some character by character wicks)

Just saying "There are no Pettanko Super Heroines" just seems like People Sit On Chairs (although I am probably off a little on that)

edited 17th Mar '11 4:00:03 PM by Raso

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...You are really not understanding this aggregate concept. I'm at a loss at how else to explain it so you might get it.

edited 17th Mar '11 4:02:28 PM by ccoa

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.

I don't think she's going to get it. Everyone else on the thread understands it. That's probably as close as we're going to get to everyone getting it. She's obviously got some mental stumbling block on the idea. I'm really not sure how to get through to her, and honestly, I don't see the point. Everyone else gets the trope and why it's limited the way it is. We should move on and stop trying to force it into the one person who seems incapable of comprehension.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

No I get what the term means (An aggregate is a collection of items that are gathered together to form a total quantity.)

It should be an exampleless or aversions only "trope" (its barely that) if we are going to keep to that.

I am just trying to say that it there is a general trope here that is used in other works as well and that's what everyone else is using it for which I have been trying to get the point across.

edited 17th Mar '11 7:26:05 PM by Raso

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But most of the examples on the page are lampshades and exaggerations. Actually listing all the characters to whom Most Common Superpower applies would make the page a mile long (since it would be 99% of female comic book characters).

edited 17th Mar '11 7:18:52 PM by alliterator

Exactly, and the lampshades, exagerations, and other versions of Playing With Are what belong on the page. That said, it needs some clean up when you get further down on the page. There are a number of examples that don't quiet fit, and it looks like tropers got lazy and started adding some X Just X.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

added crowner

Jeez, over a month. Bumping for more votes

Looking at the two crowners, are not the two leading options essentially thing the same thing? Least in regards to the changes made to this specific trope page.

edited 14th May '11 10:08:38 AM by captainpat