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Buddhists and Intrigued Non-Buddhist Laymen, CONVERGE HERE:

 101 Tzetze, Sun, 20th Feb '11 1:28:11 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
DUMB
Aondeug said she'd be gone for a while in Absent People, besides, it's difficult for me to imagine her being genuinely offended at something like that.
 102 Justice 4243, Sun, 20th Feb '11 2:08:50 PM from Portland, OR, USA
WHAT IS GOING ON?!
Yeah, unless your outright attacking Buddhims (which you seem to be clearly not doing), I think we're fine as long as we keep Buddhism in the subject.
Justice is a joy to the godly, but it terrifies evildoers.Proverbs21:15

SO JUSTICE I HEARD YOU WERE TUBESPHERING ON THE BLAGOBLAG-Blixty
 103 Aondeug, Mon, 21st Feb '11 8:41:11 AM from  Our Dreams
Oh My
I have returned to find that this thread is still alive...This pleases me. Now then...No I wouldn't be offended by your sharing what you know about Hinduism and comparing it to it. I've been hoping for that and for the Christian tropers to pop in and compare their space genie thing to my existential suicide attempt.

edited 21st Feb '11 8:41:34 AM by Aondeug

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
 104 Justice 4243, Mon, 21st Feb '11 4:50:57 PM from Portland, OR, USA
WHAT IS GOING ON?!
I actually have been giving some general thought to an idea that many religions seem to share a common belief regarding the eventual fate of all things.

Generally, I try to shy away from the “all roads lead to Rome” mentality, but I’ve noticed that idea that all “souls” or “creation” will be unified together somehow comes up a lot in Religion.

In Buddhism (Mahayana Buddhism, at least), there’s of course, that idea that all things will eventually end up in Nirvana. In Christendom, there are passages that possibly highlight all creation becoming one (thanks Rott) with the Great Space Genie, and we also have the Hindu idea of becoming one with Brahma. Although, as discussed in this threads predecessor, Buddhims expands on the Brahma idea.

Justice is a joy to the godly, but it terrifies evildoers.Proverbs21:15

SO JUSTICE I HEARD YOU WERE TUBESPHERING ON THE BLAGOBLAG-Blixty
 105 Tzetze, Mon, 21st Feb '11 4:55:00 PM from a converted church in Venice, Italy
DUMB
I've come to that same conclusion before. >_>

Being me, it was an Evangelion-related conversation.

edited 21st Feb '11 4:55:34 PM by Tzetze

 106 Aondeug, Mon, 21st Feb '11 6:22:52 PM from  Our Dreams
Oh My
So rest of the world is practicing a primitive form of Buddhism. Those poor pathetic fools. THEY DO NOT HAVE THE TRUTH. I DO. MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

I have come to this conclusion previously while thinking about things. While I am not fond of God becoming one with him like Nibbana wouldn't be that bad of a thing after this life bullshit.

edited 21st Feb '11 6:23:39 PM by Aondeug

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
 107 Myrmidon, Mon, 21st Feb '11 7:25:28 PM from In Antartica
The Ant King
Yeah, that seems like your standard Holderlin-esque threefold narrative. Prehistoric unity breaking up with the appearance of humanity/subjectivity(lol anthropocentrism) and then hope for a reconciliation and restored unity in the future. Pretty common, although the Germans and the Indians appear to be the most fond of it for some reason.

edited 21st Feb '11 7:25:42 PM by Myrmidon

Kill all math nerds
While not all forms of Christianity share in this, Gnostic Christianity supports the belief that humans must completely detach themselves from the material world. The reasons seem to be different though, but I don't know a great deal about either religion so I'm really going out on a limb here. Apparently, Gnostics believe that the physical world is the creation of an imperfect god, and that humans can only find salvation by escaping it. I suppose one way it contrasts with Buddhism is that, as we discussed before, Buddhism is purposely murky and whom or what created the universe.

edited 21st Feb '11 8:03:41 PM by randomtropeloser

Mystical Monkey Master
I a philosophical Buddhist. I meditate as a way of relaxing, i don't believe in reincarnation, and I think Lucas from Empire Records just might be the closest anyone moder man can hope to get to enlightenment.
 110 Aondeug, Wed, 23rd Feb '11 5:49:50 PM from  Our Dreams
Oh My
I meditate as a way of relaxing and building up concentration. That and exploring and focusing on certain sensations I normally ignore. Like the feel of air flowing into and out of my nose as I breath. I'm not really looking for insight at the moment and I am unsure as to how that works.
If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
 111 Aondeug, Thu, 24th Feb '11 11:55:26 AM from  Our Dreams
Oh My
Double posting is a horrible thing, but this is something I want to share. I've gained a meeting with one of our local monks on Saturday at 2 in the afternoon. If I make it I should have something to share.

The call makes me wish that I could speak Vietnamese though. One of the monks answered in Vietnamese and though he could speak English his was shaky. Fairly understandable but just a wee bit shaky. I'd like to be able to communicate clearly and well with the various monks I meet. It'd be easier on the both of us certainly.
If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
What an awesome opportunity! I'll be excited to hear what you have to share.

 113 Aondeug, Thu, 24th Feb '11 12:10:52 PM from  Our Dreams
Oh My
Oh it should be very interesting. I've never had a chance to speak with a Zen monk. Till now the only monks I've spoken to were of the Theravada tradition (the one group were Thai Forest Monastery in particular). It's nice being able to read about Buddhism or read talks given on it that have been recorded, but it's not the same thing as being there.
If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
It should be pretty cool then, especially considering what's already been said about Zen Buddhism in this thread. It's apparently supposed to be the super crazy one, right? I kind of wish I could try meeting a monk myself sometime, though I don't think that there are any in my area.

 115 Aondeug, Thu, 24th Feb '11 12:21:19 PM from  Our Dreams
Oh My
Zen is rather out there as a branch of Mahayana. I don't think it's as strange as Tibetan Buddhism though. Then again Tibetan Buddhism belongs to the third branch Vajrayana which is very...interesting. It's also called Tantric Buddhism and ritual is a rather big part of it. There's also the fact that Tibetan Buddhism also borrows from Mahayana as well.
If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
Mystical Monkey Master
zen is the philosophical aspect of Buddhism right?
 117 Aondeug, Thu, 24th Feb '11 12:32:09 PM from  Our Dreams
Oh My
Zen is a school of Mahayana Buddhism. All Buddhism is philosophical. The word you're looking for I think is Dhamma. The Dhamma is the teaching and truth of Buddhism. Our philosophy and what we are seeking to understand.

Zen at the other wiki.

edited 24th Feb '11 12:32:28 PM by Aondeug

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
Mystical Monkey Master
what i meant was zen=Buddhism-reincarnation?
 119 Aondeug, Thu, 24th Feb '11 12:35:40 PM from  Our Dreams
Oh My
Nope. Zen has it as well. Some forms lack it entirely. Most of those are Western to my knowledge.

edited 24th Feb '11 12:36:31 PM by Aondeug

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
Mystical Monkey Master
cuz that how my buddhist views work
 121 Aondeug, Thu, 24th Feb '11 12:52:56 PM from  Our Dreams
Oh My
I don't really have much of an opinion on rebirth one way or another really. It might be real. It might not. I am thinking that until I get proof I should just work on what I most definitely have now and not worry my little head off about rebirth.
If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
(post redacted)

edited 24th Feb '11 1:03:14 PM by randomtropeloser

 123 Aondeug, Thu, 24th Feb '11 12:57:42 PM from  Our Dreams
Oh My
Any sort of insult like that I'll just brush off and probably laugh at. It's a silly thing to use as an insult and if you're at all serious about said insult then you're being an arrogant fool.
If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
 124 Justice 4243, Thu, 24th Feb '11 1:00:23 PM from Portland, OR, USA
WHAT IS GOING ON?!
I do think that was an insult, I think random is being sorta half-serious given conversations about becoming a tree and buddhism held earlier on this thread.
Justice is a joy to the godly, but it terrifies evildoers.Proverbs21:15

SO JUSTICE I HEARD YOU WERE TUBESPHERING ON THE BLAGOBLAG-Blixty
What? I was just kidding! (And semi referencing something Justice said above, when the topic of rebirth came up and I asked what it would take to come back as a tree.) I'm sorry, I'll delete what I said if I offended you or anything.

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