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Needs example cleanup (What do you mean it's not awesome?): What Do You Mean Its Not Awesome get usage counts

 27 kraas, Mon, 13th Jun '11 6:11:42 PM from inside the angry dome
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Disagree simply for the fact that I like the current name.
the complainer who is always wrong
[up] That's why I said we need a crowner. I object to a rename as well, and maybe a whole bunch of others do too. Hence, crowner.
 29 Stubby Penguin, Sun, 26th Jun '11 6:30:50 PM from Earth, Sol System
Did anyone bother to check the stats to this before jumping on the renaming bandwagon?

11, 449 inbounds, its one of the most linked pages on the entire wiki.

Renaming this is a bad idea.

edited 26th Jun '11 6:33:03 PM by StubbyPenguin

It was either a penguin or a panda, but the choice is far less black and white than you would think!

Lurker
Another vote for Mundane Tasks Made Epic. It sums up the trope perfectly.

[up] That's why we keep the old name as a redirect after the rename. Unless we cut the page entirely, all those inbound links will still be pointing where they're supposed to.

Cure Candy
Going to have to agree with[up][up] we can add redirects but Renaming nah.
 32 shimaspawn, Mon, 27th Jun '11 3:27:53 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] Adding redirects will not fix the massive amount of misuse. That's the only reason we want this renamed.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
Bump. So, what now? Shima's right, redirects alone won't help.

 34 Stubby Penguin, Thu, 7th Jul '11 10:12:10 PM from Earth, Sol System
It's generally a problem with the entire index, save for What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?, somewhere along the line people forgot that the "not" in all of the titles that was the important part.

Hell, part of the problem can even be stemmed to the the title of the index, which in fact is an index... the I wouldn't even say its the snowclones' fault, a lot of people along the road just got the wrong idea.

Edit: Yeah, this is me recognizing a lost cause when I see it, I'm for the renaming now. Although I haven't really seen a renaming suggestion that's more than only "okay".

edited 7th Jul '11 10:15:42 PM by StubbyPenguin

It was either a penguin or a panda, but the choice is far less black and white than you would think!

 35 Madrugada, Thu, 7th Jul '11 10:25:16 PM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
It Should Have Been Awesome.

Supposed To Be Awesome, But Not.

Informed Awesomeness
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 36 Stubby Penguin, Fri, 8th Jul '11 12:49:23 PM from Earth, Sol System
I kind of like Informed Awesomeness. Mostly because I laugh to myself every time I think about any of the "informed" tropes.
It was either a penguin or a panda, but the choice is far less black and white than you would think!

 37 Madrugada, Fri, 8th Jul '11 2:41:09 PM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
I like the "Informed X" naming convention myself. It's a nice clean way to say "The creator told us this is true, but he didn't show us anything to support it." It would probably work well for most of the What Do You Mean Its Not X collection.
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
World's Toughest Milkman
I'd vote for Informed Awesomeness too, if we decide to do a rename, which has yet to be determined.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
Lurker
In general, I'm not keen on any blanket name change for these snowclones, because a list of snowclones is literally all that index is. While Informed Heinousness would be a good alternate name for What Do You Mean It's Not Heinous?, that naming convention wouldn't work for, say, What Do You Mean, It's Not Political?, which is about viewers seeing political subtext where there is none. If we're renaming the entire index, it'd be much better to handle it on a case by case basis.

With regards to this specific trope, I still prefer Mundane Tasks Made Epic. It's a lot more indicative of the trope than Informed Awesomeness and infinitely less likely to be used for complaining.

 40 Deboss, Fri, 8th Jul '11 6:22:57 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
We should probably start up an Informed Index so we can lump the various tropes like that in one place.

I despise What Do You Mean Its Not X horde.
 41 nrjxll, Fri, 8th Jul '11 6:57:11 PM Relationship Status: Not war
[up]Me Too.

I also prefer Mundane Tasks Made Epic. Replacing a bad snowclone with a not-quite-as-bad-but-still-not-good snowclone is a bad idea.

 42 Deboss, Fri, 8th Jul '11 7:04:18 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
I do like Mundane Tasks Made Epic. Awesomeness is in the eye of the beholder after all.
 43 shimaspawn, Fri, 8th Jul '11 7:13:27 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Mundane Tasks Made Epic is much more descriptive.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 44 Stubby Penguin, Fri, 8th Jul '11 9:42:12 PM from Earth, Sol System
How about Mundane Task Made Awesome? Epic refers to length (or size, or grandeur, or just a style of story-telling), but since a certain game has come out, the word's use has steadily decayed.

edited 8th Jul '11 9:46:18 PM by StubbyPenguin

It was either a penguin or a panda, but the choice is far less black and white than you would think!

 45 shimaspawn, Fri, 8th Jul '11 9:53:28 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
ep·ic    [ep-ik] Show IPA
–adjective Also, ep·i·cal.
1.
noting or pertaining to a long poetic composition, usually centered upon a hero, in which a series of great achievements or events is narrated in elevated style: Homer's Iliad is an epic poem.
2.
resembling or suggesting such poetry: an epic novel on the founding of the country.
3.
heroic; majestic; impressively great: the epic events of the war.

We would be using the third definition. Seriously, words in English often have more than one meaning. You are allowed to use all of them. It's not decaying the word.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 46 Stubby Penguin, Fri, 8th Jul '11 10:10:47 PM from Earth, Sol System
By the third definition presented: epic does not mean awesome and visa-versa.

Not all events this applies to will be heroic (a good number aren't)

Majestic tends to refer to things that this trope doesn't refer to, can be used objectively but itself is rather subjective. Here for its rather brief definition as an adjective.

...and "impressively great" brings us back to words that can mean more than one thing. I'm talking about great, see here for its definitions.

It was either a penguin or a panda, but the choice is far less black and white than you would think!

 47 Artemis Strong, Fri, 8th Jul '11 11:27:50 PM from The Mended Drum
Wizard/Father of Tom
How about Momentous in place of Epic?

I think it covers the exact ground the trope implies.

And it makes for some nice alliteration: Mundane Made Momentous.

edited 8th Jul '11 11:28:26 PM by ArtemisStrong

 48 shimaspawn, Sat, 9th Jul '11 8:36:15 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] No, that doesn't sound right. That sounds like something that seemed like no big deal at the time became a big deal later.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 49 Raineh Daze, Fri, 22nd Jul '11 4:14:31 PM from Stirling Relationship Status: Mu
I'm of the opinion that if this is renamed, we don't have tasks randomly shoved into it. It doesn't seem like it specifically has to be a task, just mundane.
What is a durian? A miserable little pile of secrets!
 50 Stubby Penguin, Fri, 22nd Jul '11 6:01:34 PM from Earth, Sol System
I guess Mundane Made Awesome has some ring to it.
It was either a penguin or a panda, but the choice is far less black and white than you would think!

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