Need a crowner.

Disagree simply for the fact that I like the current name.

That's why I said we need a crowner. I object to a rename as well, and maybe a whole bunch of others do too. Hence, crowner.

Did anyone bother to check the stats to this before jumping on the renaming bandwagon?

11, 449 inbounds, its one of the most linked pages on the entire wiki.

Renaming this is a bad idea.

edited 26th Jun '11 6:33:03 PM by StubbyPenguin

Another vote for Mundane Tasks Made Epic. It sums up the trope perfectly.

That's why we keep the old name as a redirect after the rename. Unless we cut the page entirely, all those inbound links will still be pointing where they're supposed to.

Going to have to agree with we can add redirects but Renaming nah.

Adding redirects will not fix the massive amount of misuse. That's the only reason we want this renamed.

Bump. So, what now? Shima's right, redirects alone won't help.

It's generally a problem with the entire index, save for What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?, somewhere along the line people forgot that the "not" in all of the titles that was the important part.

Hell, part of the problem can even be stemmed to the the title of the index, which in fact is an index... the I wouldn't even say its the snowclones' fault, a lot of people along the road just got the wrong idea.

Edit: Yeah, this is me recognizing a lost cause when I see it, I'm for the renaming now. Although I haven't really seen a renaming suggestion that's more than only "okay".

edited 7th Jul '11 10:15:42 PM by StubbyPenguin

It Should Have Been Awesome.

Supposed To Be Awesome, But Not.

Informed Awesomeness

I kind of like Informed Awesomeness. Mostly because I laugh to myself every time I think about any of the "informed" tropes.

I like the "Informed X" naming convention myself. It's a nice clean way to say "The creator told us this is true, but he didn't show us anything to support it." It would probably work well for most of the What Do You Mean Its Not X collection.

I'd vote for Informed Awesomeness too, if we decide to do a rename, which has yet to be determined.

In general, I'm not keen on any blanket name change for these snowclones, because a list of snowclones is literally all that index is. While Informed Heinousness would be a good alternate name for What Do You Mean, It's Not Heinous?, that naming convention wouldn't work for, say, What Do You Mean, It's Not Political?, which is about viewers seeing political subtext where there is none. If we're renaming the entire index, it'd be much better to handle it on a case by case basis.

With regards to this specific trope, I still prefer Mundane Tasks Made Epic. It's a lot more indicative of the trope than Informed Awesomeness and infinitely less likely to be used for complaining.

We should probably start up an Informed Index so we can lump the various tropes like that in one place.

I despise What Do You Mean Its Not X horde.

Me Too.

I also prefer Mundane Tasks Made Epic. Replacing a bad snowclone with a not-quite-as-bad-but-still-not-good snowclone is a bad idea.

I do like Mundane Tasks Made Epic. Awesomeness is in the eye of the beholder after all.

Mundane Tasks Made Epic is much more descriptive.

How about Mundane Task Made Awesome? Epic refers to length (or size, or grandeur, or just a style of story-telling), but since a certain game has come out, the word's use has steadily decayed.

edited 8th Jul '11 9:46:18 PM by StubbyPenguin

ep·ic    [ep-ik] Show IPA
–adjective Also, ep·i·cal.
1.
noting or pertaining to a long poetic composition, usually centered upon a hero, in which a series of great achievements or events is narrated in elevated style: Homer's Iliad is an epic poem.
2.
resembling or suggesting such poetry: an epic novel on the founding of the country.
3.
heroic; majestic; impressively great: the epic events of the war.

We would be using the third definition. Seriously, words in English often have more than one meaning. You are allowed to use all of them. It's not decaying the word.

By the third definition presented: epic does not mean awesome and visa-versa.

Not all events this applies to will be heroic (a good number aren't)

Majestic tends to refer to things that this trope doesn't refer to, can be used objectively but itself is rather subjective. Here for its rather brief definition as an adjective.

...and "impressively great" brings us back to words that can mean more than one thing. I'm talking about great, see here for its definitions.

How about Momentous in place of Epic?

I think it covers the exact ground the trope implies.

And it makes for some nice alliteration: Mundane Made Momentous.

edited 8th Jul '11 11:28:26 PM by ArtemisStrong

No, that doesn't sound right. That sounds like something that seemed like no big deal at the time became a big deal later.

I'm of the opinion that if this is renamed, we don't have tasks randomly shoved into it. It doesn't seem like it specifically has to be a task, just mundane.

I guess Mundane Made Awesome has some ring to it.