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Making pages for each version of Transformers Generation 1:
someoneWe have a page covering several separate continuities with entirely different storylines. Considering how Works Pages Are a Free Launch, I think there should be pages for every major version of Transformers Generation 1. But the original page should be retained to cover what the various continuities have in common. I think I'm supposed to discuss this issue here at "Special efforts". (Based on suggestions given here, although that was for a different series) Anyways, I put up a page at The Transformers to get started. Hope we can have pages for some of the other versions as well.
Diva of Virtual DeathAs you can see at the bottom here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Characters.TransformersGeneration1 I agree, and I think the main TFG1 page really needs a complete overhaul. We should basically split off pretty much everything—cartoon, Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW, etc. and just have the main page as a listing of the subpages (possibly Index?) and tropes that are universal to all G1 things.
edited 30th Jan '11 8:04:21 AM by Jeysie
someoneReally, you don't need approval to make a page about any published/released series. All these pages can be added straight away and linked to on the main Transformers index. I don't think we need to have a separate Generation 1 index though. But the main G1 page should have links to pages on the individual continuities, just no need for another index.
Diva of Virtual DeathIt was more essentially massively gutting/rewriting the existing G1 page that I figured needed some kind of consensus. A lot of what's on there would be redundant once we've got all the subpages set up, so could use trimming/deleting. And no, we don't need another index, but IMHO it'd be a lot tidier and easier to navigate than adding even more links to the main Transformers page, which is already getting huge and messy in and of itself.
someoneI don't know if splitting the index is gonna mess up the Trope Overdosed count or something. Perhaps we should ask somebody who knows some technical stuff? Anyway, if you do make individual pages for the various continuities, others will have to allow the trimming of the main G1 page, as far as I can tell. Splitting pages or making new ones only depends on whether or not there are people willing to do it. Also, the titles for individual pages should not be like Marvel/TheTransformers or IDW/TransformersGeneration1. I remember somebody told me that "Marvel" and such are not valid namespaces.
Io vs JupiterSeems like it needs Series, Film, and Comic Book subpages, with the toyline and such remaining on the main page.
someone"ComicBook/TheTransformers" or "ComicBook/TransformersGeneration1" don't seem really appropriate titles since there are multiple comic books with different continuities. Perhaps somethin like "MarvelTransformersContinuity" or "DreamwaveTransformersUniverse"? Also, should there be a notice on the Transformers Generation 1 page to point to this thread?
Diva of Virtual DeathYeah, we'd have to do more like ComicBook/TransformersGeneration1Marvel and ComicBook/TransformersGeneration1IDW or something. Man, I never thought I'd miss disambiguation parentheticals so much. And, I had the same thought, but I didn't know how to properly attach a forum thread to a work page. I did leave a link in the Discussion Area...
edited 31st Jan '11 9:04:41 AM by Jeysie
Io vs JupiterIf there are enough different works that all count as Transformers Generation 1, then just split them off into individual work pages under whatever their actual titles are and use the main Transformers Generation 1 pages as a disambiguation, Gundam style.
edited 31st Jan '11 10:17:34 AM by NativeJovian
Diva of Virtual DeathThe problem is... believe it or not, the actual titles for all of the various companies' main comic ongoings are either "Generation 1" or "The Transformers". In other words, the Marvel series is called "The Transformers". IDW's series is also called "The Transformers". Dreamwave's comics are called "Transformers: Generation 1", and so on. That's where we're running into trouble. ^^;
edited 31st Jan '11 10:32:30 AM by Jeysie
someoneI recall somebody told me that disambiguation parenthicals are acceptable. My issue is that they'd be tricky to pot hole with this wiki's software. Also, I think "Transformers Generation 1 (Dreamwave)" or "The Transformers (IDW)" look like they're only about the "main" comic book series and don't include the various mini-series set in the same universe.
edited 1st Feb '11 7:03:48 AM by ThatHuman
someoneI think once it's been decided what titles to use for the individual comic book articles, somebody can just tack a notice on the main Transformers Generation 1 page. Anything brief and easy to understand should do. Also, I created YMMV.The Transformers as a redirect to the main YMMV for the G1 frachise. I don't think we need multiple YMMV pages or WMG pages either. I don't see any need for multiple WMG pages. We might need multiple YMMV pages if one gets too unwieldy though.
Moldova, never change.With ptitles, it's not a problem
edited 10th Feb '11 10:51:53 AM by SatanicHamster
someoneA few questions:
Diva of Virtual DeathApparently ptitles are no longer a problem now anyway: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12979187400A65160100 Booyeah. I would think cutting-and-pasting would make sense; no sense in rewriting what's already written unless you need to.
edited 17th Feb '11 1:40:01 AM by Jeysie
A TyrannosaurusI've gone and made a page on the Marvel series. I'd be willing to take a stab at the Dreamwave and IDW series based on TFWiki, though it would need work from someone who has actually read those. At this point, what should we call the page on the IDW series? The comic itself is just called Transformers, but IDW also publishes some movieverse comics also called Transformers; hence, title clash.
Diva of Virtual DeathWell, it looks like someone partly solved the problem by creating Transformers Ongoing to go with All Hail Megatron and Last Stand Of The Wreckers, although now there's still the question of where to put the "-ation" minis and Megatron Origin.
edited 15th Apr '11 10:34:14 AM by Jeysie
someoneSomebody (anybody) should make a main "TransformersIDW" page. And the same should be done with the Dreamwave and Marvel 'verses. That way we can have general pages to dump anything that doesn't have real specific entries. After that's done, most of the info from the main Transformers Generation One page can be moved to appropriate pages. I think it's okay to maintain an intercontinuity character sheet, though, they do that with Mai-Hime.
edited 15th Apr '11 10:50:38 AM by ThatHuman
Diva of Virtual DeathWe've been trying to do that, and there's already a Marvel page, it's just that we have no idea what to name it according to TV Tropes guidelines, and nobody's been willing to help us out. Although I don't think naming it just The Transformers (IDW) is necessarily bad, as the movie comics are technically a part of the movies themselves, not really a fully separate continuity the way IDW's G1 stuff is.
someoneI think the current title is fine for the Marvel version. "The Transformers (IDW)" is fine too, since the movie comics don't use "The" in front of "Transformers". Also, I don't think we should keep have pages with "besides tropes common across the franchise, this series provide examples of", since the same tropes get played differently throughout differet versions (example: Starscream is The Starscream in all major versions, but not always the only)
edited 15th Apr '11 11:01:36 AM by ThatHuman
A TyrannosaurusI would say, use Transformers Generation One for the franchise in general, and only list tropes on it that apply to at least two incarnations. I guess 'The Transformers (IDW)' and 'Transformers (IDW)' is the simplest way to disambiguate the IDW series, though like Star Wars: Clone Wars and Star Wars: The Clone Wars, it's going to be a tad confusing. Perhaps, the IDW movieverse comics should go in Transformers Film Series, since they're part of the same continuity. Sort of. Also, Transformers Ongoing strikes me as a rather poor title, as it probably won't be around forever, and the name will become incorrect as soon as the last issue is printed. The ____ations comics can go in the main The Transformers IDW page for now, as they're chapters within the story. If someone wants to make individual pages for them at a later date, they'r free to do so.
someoneUm, you're somewhat mistaken. The IDW movie comics are part of the same continuity as the films. The Alternate Timeline is Twilight's Last Gleaming by Titan, not IDW. And yes, Ongoing is a very poor title. Both the Marvel and Dreamwave continuities were "ongoing" when they were still... ongoing. Maybe, move that page to TheTransformersIDW* and rewrite it to be more about the universe than just the main series.
edited 18th Apr '11 9:05:11 AM by ThatHuman
The Other TroperAs mentioned here, we should make a character page for the first series, since the G1 character page is extensive enough already.
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someoneUpdate: Series.The Transformers has been moved to WesternAnimation.The Transformers and Transformers Ongoing has been moved to ComicBook.The Transformers IDW. Gonna need some links correctd, though.
edited 14th Jan '12 6:03:21 PM by ThatHuman
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