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Republicans move to redefine rape to limit taxpayer-funded abortions:

 901 joeyjojo, Mon, 28th Feb '11 9:24:30 PM from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Happy thanksgiving!
Got anything more to say about the Republican attempt to limit taxpayer funded abortions

normally the Republicans would go and do something horrifyingly anti-woman and keep this thread alive.

They must be running a little slow this week.
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 902 darksidevoid, Mon, 28th Feb '11 10:30:17 PM from Palace of Friendship Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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I guess this is at least somewhat relevant. It's complete bullshit legally speaking, of course, but still...

Original source material for you.
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 903 joeyjojo, Mon, 28th Feb '11 10:52:28 PM from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Happy thanksgiving!
[up]Wat

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 904 shimaspawn, Mon, 28th Feb '11 11:00:12 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
... *blink* *blink*
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

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I linked to that back on Page 22.

I will forgive you if you mentally blocked it out due to the horrifying, horrifying stupidity, though.

edited 28th Feb '11 11:03:08 PM by Iaculus

Freedom of speech includes the freedom for other people to call you out on your bullshit.
 906 shimaspawn, Mon, 28th Feb '11 11:05:15 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I really must have. Since even now my brain wants to insist that someone was just trolling and made that up.
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 907 darksidevoid, Mon, 28th Feb '11 11:05:25 PM from Palace of Friendship Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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[up][up]Oh, very well then. Keep calm and carry on, eh wot. O_ರೃ

Really not sure how I missed that, though.

edited 28th Feb '11 11:06:00 PM by darksidevoid

"I have a very terrible announcement to make to you all today. The world is coming to an end very, very soon."
 908 joeyjojo, Mon, 28th Feb '11 11:56:42 PM from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Happy thanksgiving!
[awesome]The Republicans Have Wow The 2011 Award For Trolling[awesome]

Seriously is hate the only emotion they are capable of? sad

edited 28th Feb '11 11:57:31 PM by joeyjojo

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That's why democracy is wrong.

Social conservatives should NOT be allowed a say at all. When they ARE foolishly afforded a side or any possibility to achieve any power at all, crap like this happens.

edited 1st Mar '11 12:42:08 AM by SavageHeathen

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Hold on, Heathen, I thought you were an anarchist?

Being strongly in favour of freedom of speech means being strongly in favour of other people's right to say shit you don't like.

I mean, yeah, there's a very strong argument as to why this bill should not get anywhere near a legislature, but if you're operating on freedom-of-speech policies, you can't really deny the misogynistic wingnuts their say outright.
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They can say shit I don't like.

Trying to enact that kind of shit into law should be off-limtis, though. tongue

edited 1st Mar '11 1:05:36 AM by SavageHeathen

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Yes Mickey
Has the house Republican leadership tried to derail this yet? I understand that Boehner is trying to balance the interests of the moderates who voted for him and the party base which experienced a shift due to socially-moderate Libertarians joining at the hip with the socially and economically conservative base.
I'm usually using my phone so typos and dropped words are bound to show up.
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@Iaculus It's not stupid 'tho. That's the problem. If you follow the moral logic, it's actually a reasonable walk from the idea that life begins at conception. If abortion is murder, then miscarriage may be manslaughter? Well, if the person is negligent, or found to be negligent, then it can be seen that way, and generally that's what this law says.

Of course, that this whole idea is seen by so many people as being entirely insane, is a good marker that to be honest most people don't actually think life begins at conception, or to be more precise, they may think that in a very casual way without understanding what it really means.
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 914 They Call Me Tomu, Tue, 1st Mar '11 6:53:24 AM Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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Yeah-us Pro-choicers are making an Appeal to Consequences, but that's not a valid argument here, in the same way that saying "Well Tomu, by your logic, infanticide should be legal" is not a valid argument.

 915 joeyjojo, Tue, 1st Mar '11 10:41:35 AM from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Happy thanksgiving!
[up][up] As I said before, Conception is pretty clearly where the human organism starts. As for where the human being begins, well...

edited 1st Mar '11 10:42:26 AM by joeyjojo

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 916 They Call Me Tomu, Tue, 1st Mar '11 10:44:18 AM Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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I agree but I'd avoid using that terminology, even though it has a certain aesthetic to it.

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Plus not everyone cares if it is a human being considering their position compared to the mother's....
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 918 They Call Me Tomu, Tue, 1st Mar '11 12:59:50 PM Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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The point is that "Being" in this concept isn't "Human Being" as in "Homo Sapien" sense, but rather it is paying closer attention to the philosophical notion of "being" which is very central to this debate (according to we Pro-Choicers) because an embryo is NOT a being; it is a collection of cells, more akin to an object than a person (though as it develops, it becomes closer to being a person and less close to being an object).

That's why I say I like the aesthetics of the statement, but because it is technically a "Human Being, " it's technically false, even though the information being conveyed is essentially correct.

edited 1st Mar '11 1:00:29 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

 919 johnnyfog, Fri, 4th Mar '11 9:41:55 AM from NYC Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Mornin'.
Yep. You technically kill off hundreds of potential babies when you wash the skin cells from your hands.

Not to be glib about it, of course. I can see the case of late-term abortions being considered a termination of 'sentient' life.

I just find it hard to get behind the republicans on this issue, especially when I have a sneaking suspicion they're just freaking out about our low birthrate when compared with Asia.

edited 4th Mar '11 9:42:30 AM by johnnyfog

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 920 Usht, Fri, 4th Mar '11 9:45:26 AM from an arbitrary view point.
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Dropping in for a moment to say:

Don't let your opinion on the topic be decided by what Republicans or Democrats think. If you limit your definition of what is right and what is wrong to simply Democrat or Republican, you're asking to become a strawman yourself. They should have no bearing on your opinion of this topic.
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