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pagad Sneering Imperialist from perfidious Albion Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#1: Jan 30th 2011 at 3:36:14 AM

I'm writing a comic script for a crossover between Doctor Who and Superman and I need a way to make a Dalek menacing enough to present a danger to Superman. There's two ways I've come up with so far -

  • Kryptonite power core for the Dalek (guess where that came from)

  • some kind of way for the Dalek to harness Superman's vulnerability to red sunlight. I like this one better, as I personally dislike Kryptonite as a vulnerability, but can't think of a way to use it.

edited 30th Jan '11 4:23:29 AM by pagad

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#2: Jan 30th 2011 at 3:47:56 AM

Kryptonite power core could work. So could the red sunlight if you could find a way to make it work, but isn't the real threat from the Daleks the numbers?

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#3: Jan 30th 2011 at 3:52:14 AM

Daleks work according to Conservation of Ninjutsu, for the most part. This one can be ultradangerous because of whatever upgrades it's been given by Luthor.

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#4: Jan 30th 2011 at 4:00:09 AM

Point, but (and this is me just being a Superman geek) I kinda find it hard to believe that the Daleks would form an alliance with Luthor. Brainiac would probably have a better time getting through to them and would have the same resources as Luthor, including intimate knowledge of the Man of Steel's weaknesses.

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#5: Jan 30th 2011 at 4:21:41 AM

Dude. They're the Daleks. They can already wipe the floor with Superman.

If you must be pseudo-logical about it, perhaps their beams for some reason (including, perhaps, "they built them that way") fire a form of radiation similar to what a red sun produces.

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#6: Jan 30th 2011 at 4:31:40 AM

Well, I would consider Superman more powerful than a regular old Dalek, personally.

[up][up] The idea is that Luthor found a damaged Dalek and repaired it, giving it upgrades as he went. He doesn't know what he's got, and a Dalek would be clever enough to manipulate this situation.

edited 30th Jan '11 4:35:16 AM by pagad

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Anaheyla Since: Jan, 2001
#7: Jan 31st 2011 at 10:00:55 AM

Without exploiting his weaknesses(red sunlight, kryptonite, etc) the only way the Daleks have to deal with someone of Superman's level is using their time travel technology to kill him as a baby or something. Otherwise, Supes could easily deal with any Dalek you care to throw at him.

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#8: Jan 31st 2011 at 11:50:01 AM

...How? Daleks are almost as invulnerable as Supes. The only reason they're defeated is because the Doctor always has some workable Phlebotinum every episode.

edited 31st Jan '11 11:50:12 AM by Yej

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Anaheyla Since: Jan, 2001
#9: Jan 31st 2011 at 1:39:23 PM

Unless they got some massive powerup I'm not aware of, I don't see how they're as invulnerable as Supes. Then again I've only ever paid attention to the tv series. Promotional material or books or whatever might list abilities I'm not aware of. *shrug*

edited 31st Jan '11 1:39:38 PM by Anaheyla

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#10: Jan 31st 2011 at 2:29:29 PM

You're really putting an immovable object (Superman) against an unstoppable force (the Daleks) here, aren't you?

I don't recall the Daleks' weapon ever being explained, but it seems to be designed for use primarily against organic life forms. Given that the Daleks are a galactic threat, their weapon would need to be highly adaptable, to destroy any organism they encountered, including ones far more complex (and possibly far more dangerous) than a Kryptonian. You could say their technology simply analyzes Superman (perhaps with a long scan or DNA sample required) and adapts on the fly to combat him, either imitating a red sun's radiation or Kryptonite automatically.

Or you could go the simplest route of all and say Dalek weaponry is just that powerful and causes Superman damage through brute power output. This is a species that went toe-to-toe with the Time Lords, whose individual members count as a Type IV civilization, after all: it's not inconceivable Dalek generators are advanced enough to produce the power needed to demolish Superman without any use of his weaknesses. Such a method would also be truly Dalek in nature: utterly lacking in any creativity, but horrifyingly powerful.

edited 31st Jan '11 2:29:46 PM by KillerClowns

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#11: Feb 1st 2011 at 12:52:53 PM

Or you could go the simplest route of all and say Dalek weaponry is just that powerful and causes Superman damage through brute power output. This is a species that went toe-to-toe with the Time Lords, whose individual members count as a Type IV civilization, after all: it's not inconceivable Dalek generators are advanced enough to produce the power needed to demolish Superman without any use of his weaknesses. Such a method would also be truly Dalek in nature: utterly lacking in any creativity, but horrifyingly powerful.

This seems like a very Dalek thing to do, to me.

That said, if it's damaged and Luthor is trying to "repair" it I can imagine he's going to install whatever anti-Superman weaponry he can get. (The Dalek itself then either quietly replaces it with proper technology, or incorporates them into its own systems.)

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#12: Feb 1st 2011 at 7:33:37 PM

Couldn't Superman just pick up a Dalek and hurl it into the sun? Dalek's aren't super fast.

edited 1st Feb '11 7:33:47 PM by HopelessSituationWarrior

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#13: Feb 1st 2011 at 8:24:26 PM

Maybe have the Daleks fire lasers focused through a kryptonite prism?

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#14: Feb 2nd 2011 at 9:41:52 AM

[up][up] Daleks can fly. ...And could probably survive the Sun, regardless.

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#15: Feb 3rd 2011 at 4:06:06 AM

...How? Daleks are almost as invulnerable as Supes. The only reason they're defeated is because the Doctor always has some workable Phlebotinum every episode.

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