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 2051 maxwellelvis, Wed, 26th Sep '12 7:23:14 PM from undisclosed location Relationship Status: In my bunk
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[up]Oh you bet I'm more comfortable with that. Dark Side all the way. Soviets, NOD, Scourge, Sith, you name it. I'd gladly join Mumm-Ra over the Cats any day of the week. Bad guys have all the fun.

edited 26th Sep '12 7:24:04 PM by maxwellelvis

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great
My issue was that I felt the characterization was not terribly deep; it felt like they were rushing the plot a bit and not spending a great deal of time on the characters. Granted, this show had a large cast, so it was going to be difficult, but still.I almost would have rather they spent the majority of the first season developing the principal cast and then had Thundera fall as a season ender, but I realize that's pretty unrealistic. Oh, and the episode where Lion-O got to learn the Thundercat's secret history (The Book of Omens? I can't remember the title) was so obviously a toy commercial that it was almost offensive.
 
 2053 Star Outlaw, Tue, 2nd Oct '12 3:24:09 PM from Frontier Space Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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I got the last DVD set today. I'm disappointed that it doesn't contain any special features, and it doesn't include the Snarf short either. Oh well :/
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My issue was that I felt the characterization was not terribly deep; it felt like they were rushing the plot a bit and not spending a great deal of time on the characters.

Totally. Heck, the plots themselves that were rushed weren't that developed. Remember how they find the Tower of Omens? They just stumbled on it a the start of an episode and Snarf pointed it out. Or giving us contrived situations like the episode where Lion-O died because he decided to be proactive and the rest of the characters authors didn't want that (A recurring Aesop of this show in fact). Panthro joins the show so early we barely had time to know the other characters, most of them barely had any scenes by that point. Heck, Panthro despite joining later gets more character development than characters that were there from the start (Cheetara, Wilykit, Wilykat, Snarf). Hell, I'd even say Tygra's character left to desire for most of the show. He didn't feel much like his own person, but only as an extension of Lion-O. 7590% of his character only existed to give Lion-O something to react to/contrast with. A bunch of plot points never really amounted to anything. Did the Thundertank being upgraded ever really achieve anything?

 2055 Star Outlaw, Wed, 3rd Oct '12 12:45:27 PM from Frontier Space Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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I do agree with some of that, but I have to disagree about some of the characterization. I think Tygra had plenty of depth and enough to be his own character, it just happens that much of that characterization is tied to Lion-O as much as Lion-O's is tied to him. Tygra has some pretty clear character flaws, but also strengths to go along with those. He's ambitious and determined, having goals and striving to better himself. He is flawed, which tie into his insecurities caused by Lion-O, not to mention his narrow mindedness and overall more self-centered attitude. Tygra's actions tend to be either for his own benefit or for the benefit of people close to him, and that's not a bad thing, but he doesn't have aspirations for something much bigger than himself, to contrast with Lion-O's overall goal of getting the races to unite. Overall, I think all of that makes for a good character, and I feel pretty satisfied. Now, I agree that there's still room for development, but imo there's a great baseline for it.

The same goes for Kit and Kat, to a lesser extent. They don't have a whole lot of development, but there is a good baseline for each character that they work off of, and it resembles the contrast between Tygra and Lion-O. Kat's a lot more practical and concerned with the here and now, trying to gain very real and material advantages in every situation to make things easier. Kit, on the other hand, is shown to be much more spiritual, willing to put more faith into things that aren't certain, and shares Lion-O's vision of thinking outside the box and seeing a bigger picture of the world. Perhaps in a second season these aspects could be expanded upon.

I do agree that Cheetara got the short end of the stick. I already talked about her a lot in my analysis, so I'll just say that she's got more depth if you try to look for it. The big problem, and it's a consistent problem for all the other main characters, is that we never see things from her perspective. I think that in the first half of the season this worked at hiding the reveal of her choosing Tygra, but after that it really would have benefited if she had her own episode. I'm trying to remedy that in the fan comic (which has one chapter written with concept art in the works). But I think what characterization she has stems from being an orphan who was then raised in a very close knit and rather secretive group. Showing affection is a big deal for her. Tygra giving her that flower may have the nicest thing anyone had done for her. Cheetara's experiences may have conditioned her to act in a way that made her overly affectionate towards Lion-O without realizing it. That's my theory anyway.

The series probably would have benefited a lot though if they did take more time to flesh these things out, because I'll admit that a lot of this is mostly gaps I've filled with my own imagination. Like how Tygra and Cheetara's relationship might have developed since that flashback, through little silent actions and glances like that wink he gave her. But I can enjoy a show that makes me use that imagination, though I realize it can be frustrating for others who aren't that interested. Being able to actually see it is a lot more validating.

As for the Tank's upgrade, eh, you got me there. Perhaps they had planned more with it in the concepts, like how they wanted the original tank part to be able to split off. But you could see it as the Cat's firepower growing as they begin to face tougher enemies and bigger obstacles. It also shows their overall living conditions improving as they enter the next phase of their travels, no longer being on the run and outgunned but being more stable and not worrying about survival as much.

And I do agree that the way they made Lion-O die was kind of contrived, but I do like the Trials episodes nonetheless. They could have done a better job of explaining why it was a bad idea for them to climb up that cliff. A theme of the first half of the show seems to be how Lion-O deals with suddenly being forced to be responsible. He was mainly criticized for being a lazy slacker, and once he becomes king he wants to prove that he can be a proactive person like people wanted, but he often goes too far and he has to find a good balance while not losing sight of what really makes a good leader. Trials Part 1 just didn't show this well. I think the idea wasn't to punish Lion-O for being proactive, just that he shouldn't always go exactly where the Book tells him. In a sense, it's more like he was being punished for letting the Book lead his team instead of leading them himself, not being aware that there was more than one way. But it doesn't work in the episode because we only ever see one option and that's "climb up." And the rest of the team comes off as annoying and nagging because none of them point out an alternate route. It could have come off as Lion-O making the mistake of trusting the book more than his instincts of his friends or himself, but there were no alternatives provided. He could probably have had Cheetara scout ahead for them, just as an example.

The trials themselves, they can come off as kind of redundant when you consider they seem to be trying to teach Lion-O lessons he should have already learned. But I believe that the trials are more about playing on Lion-O's self doubt. He may have learned to not rush into things, to think outside the box, see the big picture, etc, but those lessons he learned may have caused him to question himself later on, causing Lion-O to worry that he isn't able to do these things even after those incidents, because he can't always identify where those lessons should apply.

It's likely Lion-O believed that following the book's direction was the right and responsible thing to do, and didn't think he was rushing in blindly, but it ended up getting him killed anyway. It may not have been entirely in his control, but it still makes him question himself, question if he was just rushing in again. The spirit stone's trials seemed to be more about making Lion-O deal with his own self doubt than reteach him a lesson he should have already learned. He isn't really taught a lesson, he has to apply his lessons to the trials in order to assure himself that he learned them correctly.

The trial with Tygra was seemingly designed to be unwinnable, so that Lion-O would be forced to go through a Secret Test of Character and sacrifice his soul. I think this works on a different level though; the trial Lion-O fails is the only one that doesn't appear to have any catch to it; there isn't a way he can cheat or bend the rules, he has to ring the bell before Tygra, and he can't do that because Tygra is always knocking him down. Lion-O can't knock Tygra down because Tygra has made himself bigger and stronger and knows how to beat him every time. Lion-O doesn't feel like he should be king because he feels inferior to Tygra, and as long as he feels this way he's always going to have doubt. Lion-O can't overcome this doubt just by beating Tygra though. Tygra shares these same doubts despite having proved himself against Lion-O time and again, because he discovers there's a lot more to being a good leader than being the superior fighter, and that's another theme which I think makes this series worth watching and exploring.

Lion-O makes a good king because of his willingness to sacrifice to others, not his combat ability. Not just his life and soul, but also way back when he sacrificed his standing with his people and his own father's approval by defending the lizards. Tygra would never have defended a lizard or a dog publicly because it would make him look bad to other Cats, and his big goal in life is to be adored by those around him, as his way of dealing with his own insecurities. Lion-O does though, because he's had to learn humility and can deal with it, and he's willing to risk being humiliated if he can do the right thing or has a chance to prove himself. Lion-O risking his soul is what helps him realize that he can be a good leader, even if events after that episode might cause more doubt.

But how well the series actually goes about portraying ^all this^ can be, I admit, poor at times. I give it credit for being ambitious, if that's indeed what they were going for.

edited 3rd Oct '12 1:01:12 PM by StarOutlaw

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Oh hey it's coming on soon.
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 2057 Star Outlaw, Sat, 6th Oct '12 11:34:53 PM from Frontier Space Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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And so it begins, again. The intro is different. They have a title card. Pretty sure the premiere didn't have that before.

EDIT: Just saw a promo on CN, and Lion-O actually got a speaking role! A fairly long time in the spotlight. Lion-O tries to help Velma look for her glsses, and he (almost) did the "Thundercats Ho!" Feels good.

edited 7th Oct '12 3:42:34 PM by StarOutlaw

 2058 Star Outlaw, Sun, 7th Oct '12 3:45:58 PM from Frontier Space Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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I found the promo with Lion-O, at about 55 seconds in:

Will kill you
Ah Thundercats hasn't been cancelled just put on hiatus

"I don't give a rat's ass about going to hell. I guess it's because I feel like I'm already there." -Mugen
 2060 maxwellelvis, Sat, 13th Oct '12 7:09:24 PM from undisclosed location Relationship Status: In my bunk
Mad Scientist Wannabe
Now that it's on Adult Swim, if they bring it back they can put in blood.
Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great
 2061 Will Keaton, Sun, 14th Oct '12 9:19:04 AM from Alberta, Canada
[up][up] That panel was MONTHS ago, back when there was still a chance the show might have a second season. The show is dead, done, finito, passed away, expired, bereft of life, thrown off a cliff without a soul stone. There will not be a second season, period.

edited 14th Oct '12 4:19:25 PM by WillKeaton

Will kill you
@Maxwell Elvis

Yeah it should prove interesting to see Thundercats with blood if it's indeed renewed.
"I don't give a rat's ass about going to hell. I guess it's because I feel like I'm already there." -Mugen
 2063 Star Outlaw, Tue, 16th Oct '12 4:45:03 PM from Frontier Space Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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I got my soundtrack in the mail today. It comes on two discs, and has a lot of different pieces composed for every episode, a total of about 2 hours in length.

There's a track for each episode, and each of those tracks contain the music pieces which were composed for it. These are listed in the booklet. For example, "The Sword of Omens" features Sword of Omens Theme, Wilykit and Wilykat Theme, Hypnosis Flute Theme, Grune's Theme, and Race Up the Tree. It's pretty easy to recognize each one.

The score is incredibly epic in tone and really worth picking up.
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 2066 Enlong, Thu, 18th Oct '12 10:37:45 AM from The Underground Facility Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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@Will: Ah, but it's being re-run on Toonami right now. Who knows what the final result of "do we do another season?" could e if it drums up a lot of support there.
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 2067 Star Outlaw, Thu, 18th Oct '12 6:01:40 PM from Frontier Space Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Here are the ratings for last week's Toonami: http://toonamifaithful.com/content.php?195-Toonami-Ratings-October-13th-2012

TC so far has been doing well, considering the time slot. Still, I worry about how many viewers are going to stick with it past the premiere. Because to be honest, the rest of the series after the first two episodes can be very different, and I'm afraid episode 3 might turn a lot of people away.
 2068 maxwellelvis, Thu, 18th Oct '12 7:11:40 PM from undisclosed location Relationship Status: In my bunk
Mad Scientist Wannabe
[up]Well, once Thundera falls, it's easier for me to watch, for reasons I have already discussed.
Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great
 2069 Star Outlaw, Sat, 20th Oct '12 5:53:27 AM from Frontier Space Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Found this on tumblr

http://blog.newsarama.com/2012/10/17/why-did-dc-nation-disappear/#comments

"So, I spoke to one of the former Producers of “Adventure Time” at the Alternative Press Expo this past weekend (won’t name names). Mainly because I knew he worked at Cartoon Network & I wanted to complain to someone about them cancelling “Thundercats”.

He said that whenever comedic cartoons, such as “Adventure Time” are the most popular (like now), CN pulls the plug on their action shows (and vice versa when action shows are more popular).

What they do is pull the show off air for a few months, & then return it to the air without announcing or promoting it. Naturally, the viewers will have dropped off (no one knew it was coming back). CN then uses this rationale to drop the shows completely: “Well, we brought it back, but no one was watching.”

That’s exactly what they did to the new He-Man show back in 2003/2004. That’s exactly what they did to “Thundercats” last year.

And this is exactly what is going on with the DC Nation block right now."

It seems that if Thundercats was indeed canceled, it may have been deliberately sabotaged.
 2070 Star Outlaw, Sat, 20th Oct '12 9:50:00 PM from Frontier Space Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Got a sweet new Thundercats promo from the good folks at adult swim:

Now that the twins have a magic sack, the conflict is basically over. All they need to do is:

(1) take army out of magic sack (2) put Mumm-Ra, his generals, and those stone statues in magic sack (3) run magic sack over with Thunder Tank, and (4) repeat (3) until done.

I'm fine with leaving the above as an exercise for the reader. ;-)

 2072 Star Outlaw, Thu, 25th Oct '12 3:27:26 PM from Frontier Space Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Kadesh Flow did a ThunderCats rap for a Toonami themed Nerd Core album.

 2073 Star Outlaw, Fri, 2nd Nov '12 10:40:09 AM from Frontier Space Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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The Thundercats game for the DS is finally out now, after having been delayed a month. I've seen just a short bit of gameplay. It's basically a sidescrolling hack n' slash. There's a time limit and a scoring system, so it's a little more like an old school arcade game. The graphics themselves are pretty average, but the animations look nice and fluid. The gameplay looks pretty standard, but there does seem to be a lot of move variety. You can't play as anyone other than Lion-O, but you can summon the others. Storywise it looks like a rehash of the series. How far into it I can't say, but I'm guessing it probably covers just the first half of the season.
 2074 Star Outlaw, Wed, 7th Nov '12 5:25:37 PM from Frontier Space Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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I got my hands on the DS game, and I found out you can unlock concept art which hasn't been released yet. A lot of it looks like its from very early in production. Maybe I can get screen shot of them posted up, once I unlock some more.
 2075 Star Outlaw, Thu, 6th Dec '12 1:12:53 PM from Frontier Space Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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I've created a new blog on tumblr for posting Thundercats gifs: http://thundercatsgifs.tumblr.com/

Feel free to submit any you may have, and I'm open to requests.
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