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 11501 The G Dude, Fri, 11th May '12 7:07:01 PM from Fresno, CA
Oh goddammit. Realpolitik really sucks when your allies are also murderous dickheads...

 11502 FF Shinra, Sun, 13th May '12 3:02:01 PM from Ivalice, apparently Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Beware the Crazy Man.
Unsurprisingly, Lebanon is starting to get affected. There was fighting between anti- and pro-Assad forces in the coastal town of Tripoli.
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
 11503 Best Of, Sun, 13th May '12 3:24:01 PM from Finland Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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There's also a Tripoli in Greece, and another one in Turkey. And three in the US, but you could pick pretty much any medium-sized or larger city in the world and find a city with the same name in the US.
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@G Dude: Well, damn. I'm not sure if I'm angry or just disapproving about this. I can see a gray and darker gray side to this issue.

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
 11505 FF Shinra, Sun, 13th May '12 9:08:34 PM from Ivalice, apparently Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Beware the Crazy Man.
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Could you comment on the news at hand rather than state the obvious? I'm only mentioning the trope in the other post because this isn't just a case of similar name, but its also a major Arab coastal city and considering this particular thread, its not unlikely that there would be confusion.
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
 11506 Best Of, Sun, 13th May '12 9:11:19 PM from Finland Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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I was just trying to insert some trivia... You know, in case someone finds it interesting. One post, so no derail, even... Except that ther is now.
I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day. - Douglas Adams
 11507 Silasw, Wed, 16th May '12 7:35:52 AM from UK :( Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Globalist Bunny
[up]I found it itneresting...

More news from Syria, elections have been held, but also some of the UN observers spent the night with the Free Syrian Army before being picked up by other members of the UN team.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18084827
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 11508 Caissas Death Angel, Mon, 21st May '12 8:55:26 AM from Dumfries, SW Scotland Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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Al Quaeda kill 90 people in the Yemeni capital. One of Saleh's nephews - who commanded the unit which suffered most of the casualties - was sacked as a result. Tomorrow is Yemen's day of national unity, celebrating the coming together of North and South Yemen. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18142695
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 11509 FF Shinra, Tue, 22nd May '12 8:19:22 AM from Ivalice, apparently Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Beware the Crazy Man.
Casualties are now over a hundred and President Hadi has sacked a total of four commanders as a result.
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
 11510 Silasw, Tue, 22nd May '12 11:42:07 AM from UK :( Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Globalist Bunny
Violence from Syria is spreading into Lebanon with two dead on Sunday. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18141604

Some Egyptian police have been jailed for violence against demonstrators. Hopefully this is a sign of chance but the cynical side of me says that it's just for show. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18162423

The civilian retrial of a Bahrain activist, who was original tried by the military, has resumed. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18157819

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael

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 11511 Silasw, Sat, 26th May '12 5:10:10 PM from UK :( Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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A government attack has left at least 90 dead with 32 of the dead being children. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18221461
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"A nuclear powered magnet death ball is perfectly scientifically possible." ~ Discar
 11512 Marq FJA, Sat, 26th May '12 7:57:17 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
"Attack" is putting it very lightly. I saw the footage on Aljazeera and other news channels. It's a genocidal massacre worthy of Godwin's Law.
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 11513 Silasw, Sun, 27th May '12 9:16:51 AM from UK :( Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Globalist Bunny
Well the ceasefire is about to be officially over. I just found this in the BBC article "The opposition Free Syrian Army says it can no longer commit to the ceasefire unless the Security Council can ensure that civilians are protected". I looks like what little ceasefire there has been is about to fall away.

Edit: The UN will be meeting in a few minutes to discuss the massacre http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18229870

edited 27th May '12 10:26:20 AM by Silasw

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 11514 tricksterson, Sun, 27th May '12 3:45:01 PM from Behind you with an icepick Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Never Trust
It was only ever on the rebels side anyway. Typical UN effectiveness.

On another topic what are your takes om the Egyptian elections? Or do they have their own thread because i haven't read much here lately on them.

If it's an authority figure and it's breathing it's guilty
 11515 Best Of, Sun, 27th May '12 10:34:07 PM from Finland Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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This is the thread for it. But it's true that we haven't talked about it much recently.
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 11516 Silasw, Mon, 28th May '12 4:34:17 AM from UK :( Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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More news from Syria: the British Foreign Secretary William Hague is currently in Moscow and held a joint press conference with his Russian counterpart. The current plan appears to be to convince the Russians to ease Assad out while keeping the regime in place, Yemen style. I'm unsure as to where the Russian's stand but they donít seem to be as firmly ebbing Assad as they were. Here are some quotes from the Russian Foreign Secretary "There is no doubt that the government used artillery and tanks and this has been reported by UN observers who have visited the scene, " "We do not support the Syrian government. We support the plan of Kofi Annan."

Also here is the UN Security Council statement that was issued yesterday, it was agreed unanimously by the entire council.

"Security Council Press Statement on Attacks in Syria

The following Security Council press statement was issued today by Council President Agshin Mehdiyev (Azerbaijan):

The members of the Security Council condemned in the strongest possible terms the killings, confirmed by United Nations observers, of dozens of men, women and children and the wounding of hundreds more in the village of El-Houleh, near Homs, in attacks that involved a series of Government artillery and tank shellings on a residential neighbourhood. The members of the Security Council also condemned the killing of civilians by shooting at close range and by severe physical abuse. The members of the Security Council extended their profound sympathies and sincere condolences to the families of the victims, and underscored their grave concern about the situation of civilians in Syria.

Such outrageous use of force against civilian population constitutes a violation of applicable international law and of the commitments of the Syrian Government under United Nations Security Council resolutions 2042 (2012) and 2043 (2012) to cease violence in all its forms, including the cessation of use of heavy weapons in population centres. The members of the Security Council reiterated that all violence in all its forms by all parties must cease. Those responsible for acts of violence must be held accountable. The members of the Security Council requested the Secretary-General, with the involvement of UNSMIS [United Nations Supervision Mission in Syria], to continue to investigate these attacks and report the findings to the Security Council.

The members of the Security Council demanded that the Government of Syria immediately cease the use of heavy weapons in population centres and immediately pull back its troops and its heavy weapons from in and around population centres and return them to their barracks.

The members of the Security Council reaffirmed their strong commitment to the sovereignty, independence, unity and territorial integrity of Syria, and to the purposes and principles of the Charter.

The members of the Security Council reiterated their full support to the efforts of the Joint Special Envoy for the implementation of his six-point plan in its entirety and requested him to convey in the clearest terms to the Syrian parties, and in particular the Syrian Government, the demands of the Security Council."

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2012/sc10658.doc.htm http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18235965
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"A nuclear powered magnet death ball is perfectly scientifically possible." ~ Discar
 11517 Nohbody, Mon, 28th May '12 5:26:11 AM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
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^ Not because I re-read 1812: The Rivers of War recently, but I am somewhat minded of Andrew Jackson's response when the US Supreme Court ruled against gov't policy regarding the Native Americans. "[Chief Justice] John Marshall has made his decision, now let's see him enforce it."

Neither China nor Russia seem to be in all that much of a hurry to fully support removal of the Assad regime. Neither has been all that accommodating of US positions for various reasons beyond the scope of this thread, and the Russians want the money from weapons sales to Assad.

(Edit: Sheesh. I made the page for the book, you'd think I could get the wick right... tongue )

edited 28th May '12 5:27:19 AM by Nohbody

 11518 Marq FJA, Mon, 28th May '12 8:42:14 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Regarding Egyptian elections... Well, I fear that at this rate, Egyptian Revolution 2.0 will be inevitable.

Reasons:
  1. The leading two contenders are Mohamed Morsi for the Muslim Brotherhood — which is rather worrying, but here's to hoping that they'd be reasonable — and Ahmed Shakiq, the guy that Hosni Mubarak had appointed as Prime Minister during last year's revolution in a failed effort to placate the revolutionaries, had spoken long and hard in Mubarak's defense, and is almost certainly being clandestinely backed by the Egyptian military leadership as a semi-puppet ruler. Right now, the difference in votes is quite narrow at merely 200, 000 votes.
  2. Strong accusations of fraud — including the possibility of en mass (as in, around 900, 000 participators!) violation of a standing law that prohibits military personnel from voting, which would obviously be aimed to boost Shafiq's votes — with the accusing individuals and groups presenting what seems to be credible evidence... which got promptly shot down on very shallow, silly grounds that more or less cement fears that the Egyptian SCAF are manipulating the whole thing from the shadows.

More info about voting results here.

edited 28th May '12 8:43:55 AM by MarqFJA

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 11519 Caissas Death Angel, Mon, 28th May '12 4:06:08 PM from Dumfries, SW Scotland Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
The second revolution may have already begun - protesters have attacked Shafiq's building, with various TV stations showing pictures of a fire! Tahir Square is filling up again too, with some protesters insisting that this is the last chance to save the revolution. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18245455

edited 28th May '12 4:07:24 PM by CaissasDeathAngel

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 11520 Silasw, Tue, 29th May '12 5:25:43 AM from UK :( Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Globalist Bunny
Diplomats are being expelled from several countries in response to the massacre in Syria. The UK, US, France, Australia, Germany and more are all expelling diplomats as a way to express their outrage.
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 11521 Marq FJA, Tue, 29th May '12 5:28:23 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
If my source is correct, a large number of imams in Saudi Arabia had tried to organize a nationwide donation drive to support the Syrian revolution just the other day... and promptly got slammed with an on-the-spot government ban on such independent activities. WTH?!
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 11522 Radical Taoist, Tue, 29th May '12 5:38:39 AM from the #GUniverse
scratching at .8, just hopin'
They're a touch leery of revolution talk in Saudi Arabia.
 11523 Best Of, Tue, 29th May '12 5:53:03 AM from Finland Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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On the other hand, it was Saudi Arabia that suggested, at the "Friends of Syria" meeting in Turkey a while back, that Arab countries should start up a fund that would be used to pay a monthly salary to any elements of the Syrian resistance that took up arms against Assad.

And even that was less than what they wanted to begin with. The first thing they recommended was that Arab and Western countries start smuggling guns into Syria. The US didn't like that, so paying the resistance fighters a salary was already a compromise from Saudi Arabia's part.
I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day. - Douglas Adams
 11524 Marq FJA, Tue, 29th May '12 6:35:23 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Methinks that some of the power-players in the top levels of the Saudi government wanted the donation drive to be a government-overseen one, so that they could have the oppurtunity to... 'appropiate' some of the funds as 'compensation'.
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Any change from Russia or China? Does Putin want to have his own short and victorious war after NATO's or does it look like he's going to stand his ground on this issue?
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