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Wick cleanup: Sliding Scale Of Anti Heroes get usage counts

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Original OP preserved in the note to allow for cleanup instructions.

Cleaning up the sliding scale:

Ok, here's the course of action:

How we will do this:

  • Purge all Zero Context Examples. That includes Type I-V labels.
  • If the label has context, replace it with the appropriate tropes that were split off. The correspondence can be found below.

TypeSplit Trope
Type IClassical Anti-Hero
Type IIKnight In Sour Armour
Type IIIPragmatic Hero
Type IVUnscrupulous Hero
Type VNominal Hero

Start with what series you already know.

edited 22nd Feb '13 12:44:41 PM by lu127

 201 Justa Username, Thu, 10th May '12 6:18:02 AM from Melbourne, Australia Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
Psionic Little Dragon
Hey, I have to ask, what are we going to do about the numerical types. Type II and Type III both cover two different tropes!
Some people say I'm lazy. It's hard to disagree.
I was going on the idea that we don't need numbers now that we have individual tropes.

edited 12th May '12 7:59:05 AM by FrodoGoofballCoTV

 203 Ironeye, Sat, 12th May '12 1:42:03 AM from SoCal Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
Cutmaster-san
There will be no numbers. If at all reasonably possible, we need to keep numbered scales off anything that isn't Just for Fun.

edited 12th May '12 1:42:20 AM by Ironeye

I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.
 204 lu 127, Sat, 12th May '12 1:46:46 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Yes, I agree with excising the numbers.
小さく揺れた向日葵
On the types of pragmatic hero, I'm a bit confused where characters like Angel or Giles fit, who are willing to not only kill villains, but murder innocent parties to further heroic goals. Basically, heroes who operate as if the ends justify the means. They don't exactly regard values as a weakness, nor do they reject traditional values. It's more they do what they think has to be done, but don't feel particularly heroic about it. They tend to envy traditionally idealistic heroes, who may have been able to find a third option, not look on them as naive simpletons. This actually seems to be one of the more common types, but doesn't sound like it fits in the description.
 
 206 ccoa, Sun, 17th Jun '12 8:23:23 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Any progress on splitting this?
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Tlast two tropes are newly revised in YKTTW. If there are no objections, I'll start the launch clock on the first one shortly. The other Needs More Examples.

edited 19th Jun '12 4:51:19 PM by FrodoGoofballCoTV

I just want to point out that this page is currently at 396, 000 characters (at 400, 000 or more, things get problematic). It may be necessary to do a hard split regardless of what any previous crowners have decided, and I want to simply throw this information out there.

 209 Marq FJA, Fri, 22nd Jun '12 7:34:53 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
[up] "Characters"? You mean letters, numbers, etc.?
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
Yes. I mean that there are over 396, 000 symbols (letters, numbers, punctuation, etc.) in the source code, and things get problematic at 400, 000 (the system completely breaks at 500, 000).

 211 lu 127, Fri, 22nd Jun '12 7:48:20 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
I think we should just remove examples and point to the appropriate split tropes.
小さく揺れた向日葵
Sounds fine with me.

Well, I rather like having the actual page (I'm a fan of sliding scales, myself). However, I'm fine with a big note specifying to put all examples on the appropriate pages, and leaving this page just as a directory with a base description.

[up]That's pretty much what I had in mind.

Pragmatic Hero has launched.

Unfettered Hero is now the only remaining Anti-Hero subtrope still in YKTTW to the best of my knowledge, and I will need help launching it.

edited 24th Jun '12 10:35:09 AM by FrodoGoofballCoTV

 215 ccoa, Tue, 7th Aug '12 11:07:24 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Still waiting on a YKTTW here.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 216 Septimus Heap, Tue, 7th Aug '12 11:08:43 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
This YKTTW needs more examples before it can be launched.

edited 7th Aug '12 11:10:37 AM by SeptimusHeap

 217 Blue Guy, Mon, 27th Aug '12 3:14:08 PM from Bella Vista, Arkansas Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
 218 Blue Guy, Wed, 29th Aug '12 5:21:49 PM from Bella Vista, Arkansas Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
 219 Smasher, Sun, 28th Oct '12 5:53:43 PM from Somewhere Far Away
The Appathetic.
Where did all the type 5 examples go?

Edit: Ooops. But why did they all go to Nominal Hero instead of staying here?

Also, Disney Anti-Hero needs to be a trope, since it's the only type without a corresponding trope.

edited 28th Oct '12 5:57:41 PM by Smasher

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 220 shoboni, Sun, 28th Oct '12 7:37:29 PM from Iowa, USA
Anti-Hero is kind of an established term, we need to keep it somehow after the changes.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
 221 lu 127, Mon, 29th Oct '12 12:40:09 AM from the Forest of Thorns Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
The page cannot have examples as they break the size limit. We're getting rid of the types as well, so all examples will be moved to the corresponding launched type. I had trouble finding which type corresponds to which though.

Also, this page had a looooooot of Zero Context Examples.
小さく揺れた向日葵
 222 shoboni, Mon, 29th Oct '12 9:05:02 AM from Iowa, USA
So are we going to keep the Anti-Hero page as a stub to link to the new type tropes then?
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
 223 Septimus Heap, Mon, 29th Oct '12 9:14:57 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
No, this crowner (unfortunately) affects only Sliding Scale Of Anti Heroes and not Anti-Hero.

 224 shoboni, Mon, 29th Oct '12 10:08:03 AM from Iowa, USA
Nevermind, I had a brain fart and didn't realize we had two different tropes. So are we going to keep the scale page as a stub to list the tropes?

edited 29th Oct '12 10:08:17 AM by shoboni

"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
 225 nrjxll, Mon, 29th Oct '12 11:19:19 PM Relationship Status: Not war
The only reason I can think of doing that is for the sake of the inbounds. The tropes themselves can be listed perfectly well on Anti-Hero.

Page Action: Pragmatic Hero
15th Apr '12 7:44:00 AM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
At issue:
The Pragmatic Hero YKTTW is suffering from a problematic description. Here are some options to consider.

These options are not mutually exclusive.
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