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SandJosieph Bigonkers! is Magic from Grand Galloping Galaday Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Brony
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#1: Jan 24th 2011 at 11:06:52 AM

Why are many super heroes referred to as "Men" while many super heroines are referred to as "Girls"? Incidentally, Wonder Woman is one of the few heroines who's name refers to her as "Woman".

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#2: Jan 24th 2011 at 11:15:15 AM

Because of, whassat s word, syllable check.

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SandJosieph Bigonkers! is Magic from Grand Galloping Galaday Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Brony
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#3: Jan 24th 2011 at 11:16:23 AM

That doesn't explain much.

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Tzetze DUMB from a converted church in Venice, Italy Since: Jan, 2001
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#4: Jan 24th 2011 at 11:19:00 AM

Supergirl has three syllables, as does superman, while superwoman doesn't.

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#5: Jan 24th 2011 at 11:21:46 AM

It's about euphony. "Woman" sounds more awkward in most compound words than either "man" or "girl."

I don't like it either. There is a great tendency in our culture to refer to grown women as girls in contexts where it would never be appropriate to refer to grown men as boys.

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SandJosieph Bigonkers! is Magic from Grand Galloping Galaday Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Brony
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#6: Jan 24th 2011 at 11:21:56 AM

[up][up]That's probably the most convenient answer if there ever was one.

[up]Unless your a soldier in which case you can refer to your underlings as boys. Or was that Prohibition era gangsters?

edited 24th Jan '11 11:24:01 AM by SandJosieph

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#8: Jan 24th 2011 at 11:58:18 AM

Also, most of the characters are girls rather than women, I believe.

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#9: Jan 24th 2011 at 12:26:20 PM

Maybe its their vain attempt to hold on to their youth. [lol] Power Girl, sweetie, no one's going to believe you're young enough to be a girl.

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#10: Jan 24th 2011 at 1:20:06 PM

There's also Batwoman, Catwoman, and plenty of Wonder Boy style names. Also, most of the female super heroes/ villains have cool names, like Elektra or Black Canary.

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#11: Jan 24th 2011 at 2:07:15 PM

Combination of what Karalora said and female characters on average tending to be younger than male ones in fiction, I imagine.

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#12: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:01:24 PM

Stevie Wonder made a track named Superwoman in 1972, which I guess made him ahead of his time.

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#13: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:03:01 PM

People who mentioned men not being referring to as boys has not lived in the South.

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.
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#14: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:05:45 PM

What's been said above, it's not that prevalent, and there's a good reason for it. 'Girl' is just a better suffix in 99% of these superhero cases. Oh, and 'superheroine'? Doesn't sound as good (another extra syllable).

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
eX 94. Grandmaster of Shark Since: Jan, 2001
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#15: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:17:13 PM

Actually, it is not really the case. Few super heroine carry a "girl" in their name, and if it is the case, they are mostly teenagers, where it is appropriate.

edited 17th Feb '11 2:41:35 PM by eX

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#16: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:30:04 PM

Which then brings up the issue of "Why older super heroes and younger super heroines".

Oh, and "Super Heroine" is far better than "Female Super Hero"

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#17: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:40:09 PM

Of course, 'hero' doesn't have to be gender-specific.

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
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#18: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:53:51 PM

Because it's more acceptable for men to be old than for women. that sounds weird, i know, but it's true. that's why there are always really old wrinkly men in fighting games and movies but rarely ever see old women. no one wants to see an "old lady" but apparently everyone's fine with looking at heihachi's wrinkly ass in a giant diaper. >.< it's considered "normal" for young girls to find men the same age as their dad as attractive, but if a guy considers an older woman attractive it's a fetish for MIL Fs.

i think the word "woman" in a female superhero's name invokes a more "sexy" connotation. "girl" is more feminine, young, pretty. i mean, i'm sure people like their sexy, mature female super heroines too, but a young one is more what people gravitate to for the reasons i mentioned above. that's what i think anyway.

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#19: Feb 17th 2011 at 2:10:53 PM

It's primarily a syllable issue followed by an age thing. A lot of these -girl suffixed heroes are more likely to be the younger sidekicks of a pre-existing male hero I think.

I'll stick by the syllable argument though. Power Girl is just simpler and quicker to say rather than Power Woman. Though now that i think about it, Power Woman sounds better. Hawkwoman would actually sound better than Hawkgirl... What were these people thinking?

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eX 94. Grandmaster of Shark Since: Jan, 2001
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#20: Feb 17th 2011 at 2:41:22 PM

Which then brings up the issue of "Why older super heroes and younger super heroines".

There aren't significantly more female teenage superheroes than males, nor are most superheroines teenagers. From where exactly do you get these ideas?

edited 17th Feb '11 2:42:36 PM by eX

SilentStranger Failed Comic Artist from Sweden Since: Jun, 2010
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#21: Feb 17th 2011 at 7:06:18 PM

Usually its because the characters start out young enough to be referred to as Girl, and the name just sticks.

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myrdschaem Since: Dec, 2010
#22: Feb 18th 2011 at 3:53:13 AM

Well, most female heroes don't get to be as grim and gritty as their male counterparts. That's changing, but slowly. And girls are not as intimidating as woman, who are adults and probably to be taken a bit more seriously. The whole dichotomy carries a load of Unfortunate Implications on the whole anyway.

SilentStranger Failed Comic Artist from Sweden Since: Jun, 2010
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#23: Feb 18th 2011 at 3:57:15 AM

^ What do you expect, its comic books? There's a few exceptions, but overall, comics are still a fairly misogynic medium.

...not that I mind, Ive never been very fond of female characters anyway. Thats probably not a good thing though.

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CBanana Tall, Dark and Bishoujo Since: Jan, 2001
#24: Feb 18th 2011 at 5:58:27 AM

Well, one of the dictionary definition of girl is young unmarried female which does include a fair amount of superheroines.

Probably also why Invisible Girl changed her name to Invisible Woman.

edited 18th Feb '11 5:59:42 AM by CBanana

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myrdschaem Since: Dec, 2010
#25: Feb 18th 2011 at 6:44:30 AM

[up] I think the first definition is far more popular.


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