Acceptance of gays vs. view of religions

@Justice: Well in a democracy, we vote on what laws are worthy of being on the books. So enforcement of proper behavior is by argumentum ad populum.

“Love is the eternal law whereby the universe was created and is ruled.” — St. Bernard

But the laws of a society are made and enforced by the society that made them. Granted, these laws may have been borrowed from other communities, picked and chosen from those to adopt and those to throw away, or even adopted and changed to better suit the society that's utilizing whatever law for their own ends.

The only universal laws are the ones set down by a society or government that governs all of a set of beings, here being humanity. The only society or societies that tend towards that are religious ones, wherein the doctrine there says that the deity of said religion set down laws that were not only applicable to the society that existed at the time when the laws were given to man, but to any other form of human society thereafter.

And even then the validity of that is quesionable, since these laws were usually never given to the whole of humanity by the deity itself, but passed on to one or two people to then give to the society of which they either governed or were a part of.

You seem to be changing philosophical viewpoints whenever it’s convenient.

Besides, this point of view seems pretty counterproductive to the rights minorities if a majority decides they’d be happier keeping them underfoot. That’s rather prevalent to what we’re discussing now.

Morality a la Argumentum ad populum is bound to make a lot of people unhappy. A Rule that makes a few absolutely miserable but the population as a whole happy could easily be justified this way.

We also have checks in balances in place though for when a "popular law" gets branded unconstitutional. Granted, if we follow this rabbit hole down far enough, enough votes can change ANYTHING, but our law system is certainly complex enough that it can't be said what's in place is what the most people necessarily want.

edited 4th Nov '11 1:50:06 PM by Justice4243

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Right. We have the nobility of the robe... er, SCOTUS and state Supreme Courts that can tell the people they're forbidden from having laws they want. If these nobles say heterosexual and homosexual relationships must be treated identically by the state despite their logical differences, the people are powerless.

“Love is the eternal law whereby the universe was created and is ruled.” — St. Bernard

As I said, I think enough legislation and voting can make ANYTHING happen in this country...

I'm really not sure what this has to do with anything at this point, however...

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More like they're enforcing the supermajority-approved agreements we have made that certain types of laws and actions are off limits. Those agreements can be changed, but it's difficult.

edited 4th Nov '11 1:58:15 PM by TheGirlWithPointyEars

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This thread is now about the nature of the American democratic process!

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Justice, there are already a ton of threads on that.

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I don't necessarily APPROVE of this new direction.

In fact, that last post was a subtle hint that this was getting silly...

edited 4th Nov '11 2:39:42 PM by Justice4243

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Until someone writes a scientific essay to argue against the essays I posted roughly one million times, the conclusion is that the Bible is not unnecessarily anti-gay and therefore this thread has lost it's function.

If you want a thread about the nature of democracy, there are plenty.

A single phrase renders Christianity a delusional cult

A sufficiently Literal-Minded person could read it as banning only bisexuality. After all if a man has sex only with men, and not women he's not going against that particular line. Alternatively depending on the wording in the pre-translation version of the Bible it might not do even that: just means you shouldn't lie down while doing it .

Question for Rott: what do you think is the telos of living? Isn't everything you do that isn't aimed direcly at that telos out of limits?

edited 4th Nov '11 6:09:37 PM by Qeise

Laws are made to be broken. You're next, thermodynamics.

Oh? You really don't expect that the same book that gave us those verses would have other questionable verses in it?

The question that comes to mind is what reason is there against these verses that does not double as a reason against The Bible in general.

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Did you actually read any of the thread that followed that statement? You're taking that sentence way out of context. And we basically discussed your second point a great deal already.

edited 6th Nov '11 10:21:12 AM by Justice4243

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