Good Squad Based Shooters

I'm looking for a good squad based first/third person shooter with a singleplayer mode and optionally coop. So far, I've liked these games:

• Singleplayer/Coop
  • Conflict: Desert Storm
    • Conflict: Desert Storm 2
    • Conflict: Global Storm Terror
    • Conflict: Vietnam
    • Is The Great Escape any good?
  • SWAT 4
  • SWAT 3
    • Playing this one second, I was amazed how good the squad's AI was. Tell them to fall in, they stay in formation. Fail to give them an order? If the area's clear, they'll cuff that suspect for you. In their spot? Impossible; they dynamically find a spot.
    • On the bad side: Want to compile a map for the game? Sure, as long as you can compile the AI before loading the map ingame or else it crashes. Did I mention you have to be ingame to compile the AI?
  • Rainbow Six
    • Though I mainly stick to LPs of it.
  • One of the Medal Of Honor games. I think it was European Assault.
  • Operation: Flashpoint
    • I love the map editor.
    • ArmA: Armed Assault
      • ArmA 2
    • Operation: Flashpoint 2: Dragon Rising*
  • Borderlands* - Coop Only [Right? I'm pretty sure that if you play singleplayer, you don't get any stable squad help. Then again, I'm using [[NVIDIA NVIDIA]]...]
  • Killing Floor

• Multiplayer
  • Empires mod
  • Command and Conquer: Renegade

The * means that a game is on this list not because I've played it but because I know it exists.

P.S. Is there any way to hook up the Unreal compile tools up to Hammer? I wanted to try out making a map for SWAT 4 after the SWAT 3 map didn't pan out, and I realized how horrible I am at using Unreal Ed (well, SWAT Ed, but basically the same thing).

edited 13th Jan '11 10:55:19 AM by ShadowDog

ARMA II — extremely realistic, co-op is done through individual missions, does both 1st-person and 3rd-person extremely well

Borderlands — not at all realistic, but pretty fun co-op. 3rd-person has to be done by editing config files.

Empires for Half Life 2. It's actually an RPS-RTS hybrid, but one aspect of it is that you can join a Squad and you get info on your squadmates' health and positions.

Also throwing in a non-squad based shooter with squads example, a game of Battlefield 2142 is quite fun if you get a good squad.

@Empires Mod that sounds awesome. How many people play?

edited 12th Jan '11 9:32:38 PM by TheInferno

Also, in Empires, the team Commander can order a squad to attack or move.

^At least 24 to 34. Not really sure.

edited 12th Jan '11 9:32:43 PM by RocketDude

I wish I could play Borderlands (and, for that matter, Alpha Protocol), but I have an NVIDIA card. I'm amazed that in today's game development world that people will let companies get away with screwing over people who use the second most popular line of graphics cards. I can understand it in the C64 et al era, but we have Direct X, Open GL, etc. I'm not buying 100 dollars plus just to get an On Live to play that game, Gearbox. You better fix that for Duke Nukem Forever. </rant>

I'm thinking of breaking the list into SP/Coop and Multiplayer lists. Mods allowed. Elephant in the room: do we allow Counter-Strike? That is, is it squad based? I've seen that devolve into flame wars on other forums, so I guess it's debatable or something.

Anyone played Renegade X?

EDIT: Rocket Dude, I read your page and clicked on Killing Floor. It sounds cool.

edited 13th Jan '11 10:53:34 AM by ShadowDog

To clarify your list — Borderlands can be soloed, but you'd better be really good at kiting, or really quick with the healing items and abilities.

EDIT: For pure multiplayer, the Enemy Territory series is awesome. Brink, which is effectively Enemy Territory 3, is coming out hopefully within two months.

edited 13th Jan '11 1:07:57 PM by ssfsx17

I liked Brute Force on the original Xbox. It's a bit more mindless that most games on your list, though.

You play ARMA 2? Please play with me!

@Shadow Dog: I thought I was the only one here who knew of Renegade X, but that's off-topic.

Also, I actually was gonna mention Killing Floor until I realized that it doesn't have very similar aspects to a Squad-Based Shooter.

Gears Of War

Renegade X its pretty good and it really feels like playing a soldier unit on the c&c series, the only thing i could complain about is maybe the size of some maps.