Puella Magi Madoka Magica

Whatcha mean needs more Yuma, the AU Orika thing is about Yuma.

Thank goodness for Yen Press! I was worried they would never pick up Oriko Extra Story.

It's actually two stories, one with Kirika and one with Oriko and Yuma.

edited 28th Aug '14 7:48:50 AM by universalperson

I liked Oriko, despite the art style, so reading Oriko's What If? story will be interesting, to say the least. Also, more Kirika focus.

As for Tart, I am wondering whether it will end with Jeanne's execution, or will someone take her place instead? Like what happened in Jeanne d'Arc}}.

edited 29th Aug '14 9:26:38 AM by Diamite

Yes. This is a thing.

~Facepalms~

I listened to five seconds of it.

Somebody has too much time on his hands.

.....Do Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse too.

It's the internet. What more were you expecting?

Also, thinking back to the transformation sequence in Rebellion, some say that it is self-indulgent (basically in the movie just so that the animators can go crazy). What exactly do you guys think of the it, as well as your favorite of them (especially considering that they all are a different form of dance).

edited 29th Aug '14 1:01:26 AM by LDragon2

Was taking the train today when my memory went back to that scenario I imagined of a Witch whose Realm engulfed an entire subway with a demonic train running through the tunnels.

also I raise thee Goofy singing Guren no Yumiya

edited 29th Aug '14 6:15:50 AM by AceOfScarabs

So is goddess Madoka a complete garbage spewer? She talked about all the good magical girls bring but really even in the wraith system its still stupid trusting girls being turned into child soldiers, typically still alone despite grief cubes encouraging teamwork, fighting a foe that's never ending and was created because of magical girls in the first place and dying at the ripe old age of 17 or younger.

Even the thing about wishes advancing humanity isn't something I believe entirely. For one thing, humanity would advance outside of cave living after 10,000 years with or without magic. It wasn't the incubators that gave humanity sentience, we'd invent things regardless of the selfish wishes of little girls.

Really, although this makes Rebellion the best possible ending I can't take Madoka Kanme seriously anymore. With all the power and desire to help Madoka could only conform to the incubator's system, nothing more than a painkiller for magical girls after they're dead. She's a damn fool whose better of uninformed and being not in a position to help anyone. A discussion I had yesterday with someone made it pretty clear, when the reality is being a child soldier doomed to die alone and young ignorance is actually bliss and Homura granted them life and happiness. So really truth doesn't matter, especially if truth means dying in a pointless/endless war against wraiths.

You're forgetting the whole "entropy" thing. Presumably with her omniscience Madoka judged that the benefits to both humanity and the universe were worth the sacrifices. If not she could change her wish with the degree of power she had. Honestly my only complaint about the Madoka system is keeping up The Masquerade. The secret nature of the magical girl system prevents girls from getting help from the outside world.

And the difference between working alone and working together cannot be overstated. With Madoka's system Magical Girls can form their own community's and groups find the most efficient way to use their powers. I imagine it significantly increases the lifespans of Magical Girls (Sayaka and Homura both have martyr complexes that prevented them from working well with others).

I suppose that's a point, I mean by real world standards it's immensely stupid and immoral to sacrifice human lives to stave off something that will happen in a few hundred trillion years or more. However since it is a fiction it's entirely possible that maybe entropy is happening faster in the Madoka universe, or maybe it'll come in such a long time only because what the incubators are doing.

I don't know, I guess it's just a safer bet to say everything in the Madoka universe is shit and to tell optimists like Madoka to piss off.

Personally, I just assumed that the heat death of the universe was a rather more immediate threat in the Madokaverse.

You've basically made the same post over and over again since coming into the thread. I don't know what productive discussion you can possibly hope to engender by spamming the same angry thoughts ad nauseam.

edited 29th Aug '14 12:14:54 PM by majoraoftime

My headcanon is that the energy incubators collect is dark energy. The expansion of the universe staves off heat death and dark energy is the force responsible for the universe expanding. It's also a black box for real scientists, so it's plausible the incubators haven't truly understood it either.

How is Madoka's wish not worth it? The magical girls are basically immortal in a clinical sense. Going to Madoka's afterlife is like a one way trip to somewhere where other people can help you recover from the despair event horizon.

Hell they pretty much say their are still alive and can be killed "As long as one of us survived to give Madoka's memories back to her" or something. But as long a they are not involved with dangerous mission that risk of their soul gems being destroy. They can repair any damage to their body and lost the limiting factor of their soul gem's limits. That sounds pretty good. It actually gives a pretty good reason to sign up if you think about it.

@Flavius: The point was that Madoka wanted to make the system one where the girls got exactly what they signed up for. They really are fighting evil and never become what they fight. They fight, but that's exactly what they had decided was worth their wishes. She explicitly wanted the girls to get their wishes..

"You've basically made the same post over and over again since coming into the thread. I don't know what productive discussion you can possibly hope to engender by spamming the same angry thoughts ad nauseam."

Glad to hear I annoy you, join the club of the other two or three posters here that are sick of me. I am angry at this series and seeing people happily enjoying it leaves me feelings I'm missing out on some inside joke that the rest of the world is hiding. So I'll ask these questions and hate characters we're supposedly here to root for until I'm satisfied with answers given.

"How is Madoka's wish not worth it? The magical girls are basically immortal in a clinical sense. Going to Madoka's afterlife is like a one way trip to somewhere where other people can help you recover from the despair event horizon."

Granted it's better, but it's still a life with a short life expectancy. Plus if Homura didn't take over the incubators would have continued to make isolation chambers to eventually capture Madoka; forcing this far too merciful goddess to continue risking magical girl teams fighting witches formed in isolation chambers.

"@Flavius: The point was that Madoka wanted to make the system one where the girls got exactly what they signed up for. They really are fighting evil and never become what they fight. They fight, but that's exactly what they had decided was worth their wishes. She explicitly wanted the girls to get their wishes."

They're fighting an evil created by their contractors. Would it be a noble cause for American soldiers to die fighting terrorists that the CIA helped get into power? They'd probably be better off if Madoka just wished for a universe without magic and just let the universe decide when it would kill off all life through entropy.

The fact that seeing people enjoy the series makes you angry suggests to me that you maybe are a little too invested in it and your specific interpretation of it. I believe I've said as much to you before. MST3K Mantra, remember?

No one is obligated to validate your feelings for you. That is why I get irritated with you coming in here and angrily shouting "This thing doesn't make sense and is stupid! Why? Someone explain!", repeatedly. People humour you and try to give answers, you leave for a bit and then come back in again in a few weeks. I'm pretty thoroughly tired of that little cycle.

Their soul gems burning out doesn't kill them, it just sends on a one way trip to Madoka's afterlife.

And Kyouko and Mami knew about the isolation field after the events of rebellion. They will prevent Kyubey's efforts by destroying the isolation fields from the outside will have proof of Kyubey betraying them as magical girls to show to others. The incubators don't have unlimited attempts and each failed ones digs them in deeper.

Well technically, all the Incubators have to do is put both of them in an Isolation field (or seal them away so they can't warn others).

It either keeps them out of the way, or forces Madoka to save them too, and this time, they'd be more ready for her (whether it would work or not is up in the air).

Yeah easier said than done. Kyouko and Mami both know about the isolation and could take measures to avoid being caught in it. The incubators used Homura who was by herself in the middle of nowhere and was already at her limited and didn't see it coming.

Besides the point of the experiment was to observe what would happen if magical girls could be isolated from the law of cycles. Homura creating a labyrinth inside her soul gem was not expected. Afterwards they allow Homura to take victims believing that they may be able to bring Madoka in as a victim and observe her power so that they could counter her. If they don't learn her secrets then summoning her does nothing.

Oh right. I forgot that the others aren't total loners like Homura is.

Homura is like the rock the other rocks don't want to play with.

Homura is a like a rock.

Also, are there any military minded tropers who can evaluate the heroines as soldiers?

Except for games like "throw tomatoes at Homura." That one's a perennial favorite.

edited 29th Aug '14 8:03:03 PM by rikalous

Homura is Charlie Brown, Madoka is The Pink Haired Girl, Coobie is Snoopy, Kyoko is Peppermint Patty, Mami is Linus, Nagisa is Sally, Sayaka is Lucy, Kyosuke is Schroeder, Poorfag is Pig-Pen.

edited 29th Aug '14 8:11:23 PM by NapoleonDeCheese