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Puella Magi Madoka Magica:

 35251 Ikiniks, Sun, 14th Oct '12 7:25:41 PM from ANTARCTICA
Hello.
@Asellus: A lot of stuff related to friendship is supposed to sound kind of corny. Some measure of corniness is inherent in the the concept. It would feel faker than turd's face if it didn't. And honestly, Madoka as characterized in the anime isn't the kind of person to make friendship out to be something that complex; hell, she was willing to try to befriend Kyouko even after her first fight with Sayaka.

So yeah, gonna have to go with Hylarn, slightly-off characterization in the novel.

It makes sense that Madoka doesn't have much direction in her life at her age. Two close friends, both parents, a baby brother, school, homework, and a generally cushy life are are pretty full for any fourteen-year-old, leaving little room for much else. Ich weiß nicht, welchen pessimistischen asociality es nimmt, um anzunehmen, dass der Mangel an der Richtung zum Werden ein Teil einer umstrittenen Subkultur entspricht.

edited 14th Oct '12 7:26:55 PM by Ikiniks

I reserve the choice to not be COHERENT!
 35252 Bocaj, Sun, 14th Oct '12 7:29:04 PM from Here Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Chaotic Lulzy
Whatever you can say in invisible german, you can say in invisible english.
The Internet is often fast and horrible.
 35253 asellus 111, Sun, 14th Oct '12 7:35:21 PM Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Time to A - Rise
[up][up]Yeah...I got too caught in that topic, well gonna watch the Homu Mado cheek rub again.grin

 35254 GAP, Mon, 15th Oct '12 12:15:12 PM Relationship Status:
Formerly G.G.
[up][up][up] I guess it is normal for suburban children.....as far I know.

edited 15th Oct '12 12:15:46 PM by GAP

"I can't write about myself in my own newspaper. It would have to be done by some third party. "
Holy crap...

You know how the summary for the new movie mentions a huge 'flaw' with the system Madokami set up? I think I figured out what the 'flaw' is.

It has to do with the fact that the girls 'disappear' when their Soul Gems give out. In other words, the matter and possibly energy is permanently removed from the system, rather then 'recycled' through the witch process, which also produces energy. Such a gradual loss in the system can't be good in the long term...

Am I making any sense here?

 35256 Psyga 315, Mon, 15th Oct '12 12:38:29 PM from Dungeons & Dragons No Sekai Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Nanako The Narcface
Puella Magi Madoka Magica The Rebellion Story

... OH GOD I'M GETTING FLASHBACKS!

JIBUN WOOOOO!
"An MMORPG without a logout button? That's a bold decision, man!"
 35257 Pulp Free Bookworm, Mon, 15th Oct '12 12:40:31 PM from Everywhere and Nowhere Relationship Status: In another castle
Post Tenebras Lux
[up][up] Actually, I follow you completely. That makes total sense.
I'm getting too old for this ghost-catching tomfoolery.
 35258 L Dragon 2, Mon, 15th Oct '12 12:46:09 PM from Pandora Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ZOMG TEH REI!!!!
[up][up] So, does this mean that Homura is going to get a Geass power?

Then again, one becomes a MG by contracting, like in Code Geass soooo....

Side note: Madoka's 2nd movie placed 2 in the Box Office. WOOT!
Proud fanboy of anime/video games/scifi. Oh and of Rei Ayanami XD
 35259 Bocaj, Mon, 15th Oct '12 12:48:22 PM from Here Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Chaotic Lulzy
I am disappoint to see Lorax and RE5 sharing a list with the madokas.

edited 15th Oct '12 12:48:32 PM by Bocaj

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 35260 asellus 111, Mon, 15th Oct '12 12:51:48 PM Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Time to A - Rise
[up][up]Good, wonder what will be the reaction for the third movie.

 35261 Psyga 315, Mon, 15th Oct '12 1:00:09 PM from Dungeons & Dragons No Sekai Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Nanako The Narcface
[up][up][up] Not to mention the whole idea behind Witches...

O_O Does this mean that they can become Incubators?

edited 15th Oct '12 1:00:19 PM by Psyga315

"An MMORPG without a logout button? That's a bold decision, man!"
 35262 That Human, Mon, 15th Oct '12 1:15:59 PM from someplace
someone
[up] Well, C.C. and the like are unkillable like QB...
something
 35263 JHM, Mon, 15th Oct '12 1:29:10 PM from Neither Here Nor There Relationship Status: I know
Thunder, Perfect Mind

Oh Japan, you crazy place...

But seriously, that's actually pretty cool.
 35264 GAP, Mon, 15th Oct '12 1:48:43 PM Relationship Status:
Formerly G.G.
Now all we need is a Madoka version of Ledouche, Failzaku, C.C. and/or Schneizal adn we will be fine.............not really.
"I can't write about myself in my own newspaper. It would have to be done by some third party. "
 35265 Psyga 315, Mon, 15th Oct '12 1:50:49 PM from Dungeons & Dragons No Sekai Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Nanako The Narcface
Hitomi is Ohgi. Both are idiots that fuck shit up by thinking with their sex organs.
"An MMORPG without a logout button? That's a bold decision, man!"
 35266 rikalous, Mon, 15th Oct '12 2:21:43 PM from Right behind you, with a knife Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Oh I say!
Hey now. Hitomi just said "I like this guy, I know you do too, I'm giving you a grace period to make a move on him before I do." So the idiot was observant enough to notice Sayaka's crush and the horny teenager was willing to give her friend a chance to hit that first?

Hitomi only fucked shit up by failing to realize that Sayaka was going through an existential crisis as a result of a marshmallow-flavored alien using Lovecraftian abominations and frilly child soldiers to hold off entropy. That's not the kind of thing most people check for.
The above post is probably not entirely serious.
 35267 Haldo, Mon, 15th Oct '12 3:02:26 PM from Never never land Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
Indecisive pumpkin
It has to do with the fact that the girls 'disappear' when their Soul Gems give out. In other words, the matter and possibly energy is permanently removed from the system, rather then 'recycled' through the witch process, which also produces energy. Such a gradual loss in the system can't be good in the long term...
I thought they left their dead bodies behind?

[up]I think she should've given Sayaka a longer grace period than just one day.

edited 15th Oct '12 3:03:40 PM by Haldo

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^These are interrobangs. Love them. Learn them. Use them.
[up] Maybe Hitomi wanted to provoke Sayaka into confronting her feelings, since Sayaka had been denying her crush for a long time and showed no signs of letting up. Besides, from Hitomi's perspective, the worst thing that could happen was Sayaka would have to confront heartbreak sooner rather than later. Hitomi had no idea how much Sayaka had invested in her crush.
Hitomi probably would have been blamed all the same no matter how long the grace period was, really. And possibly she wanted to get it over with as soon as possible, rather than dragging out a week or whatever of tension between them.

(iirc the game had a less charitable interpretation, but that was the bonus route, so.)

It might have been mentioned in the commentary, but I think Hitomi's supposed to be the kind of person who's willing to pursue happiness (which is also why she wouldn't make a good magical girl?, though that bit I probably picked up from fanon/fanfic somewhere), and it's unfair to blame her for it. She gave Sayaka a chance so that she could be justified in saying her happiness isn't getting in the way of that of her friend's (and since they're friends she might have expected Sayaka to tell her if this was Not Okay), and once she's made a reasonable attempt to not cause too much harm, based on what she knows, she should be able to be as assertive as she likes without guilt. Especially in context of it's a romance she's initiating in middle school, and in real life (with hindsight at least) you don't expect either the relationship or the wounds caused by it to last forever.

Although partially because of the limited interaction she had with Madoka and Sayaka I sort of interpret it as they probably aren't that close even if they hung out a lot. Otherwise, well—nobody would communicate anything with her, and Madoka and Sayaka didn't even have to consider talking about it, even when it directly affected her, what.

edited 15th Oct '12 3:49:55 PM by greedling

You will not go to space today.
[up][up]In all of the 'disappearances' we saw in episode 12, the girls vanished completely.

 35271 Pulp Free Bookworm, Mon, 15th Oct '12 3:58:48 PM from Everywhere and Nowhere Relationship Status: In another castle
Post Tenebras Lux
[up][up] Personally, the "grace period" being longer would have redeemed her somewhat for me. I mean, this girl is supposedly your friend, crushing on the same guy as you, so you choose to ACTIVELY HIDE that (by avoiding Kyosuke's hospital during the times when she knew Sayaka visited) until suddenly dumping it on her and giving a 24 HOUR ultimatum when you knew she had problems admitting her feelings BEFORE you revealed you like the guy too?

It's not worse than pretty much any other character, they all do really stupid and mean things. Except the baby I guess.

edited 15th Oct '12 3:59:21 PM by PulpFreeBookworm

I'm getting too old for this ghost-catching tomfoolery.
Would that be the case even if you didn't know you were comparing a one-week-ultimatum (or whatever) Hitomi with a one-day-ultimatum Hitomi? Well—I guess you might already have views of how long it would be until it was okay, but in general, I doubt that general fandom opinion of her would be very high. (Particularly since no doubt the show would just have the whole week tormenting Sayaka.)

I mean, sure, she's not 100% blameless insofar as no one is, but she's... well really, she's less horrible than most other characters who do questionable things. Hiding your crush when you know a friend also has a crush could have been a way to avoid awkwardness, since otherwise they might've been side-eyeing each other as rivals for the entirety of their friendship. Wanting to avoid that is perfectly normal. Sayaka never actually shared her feelings with either of her friends, it seems; she was really bad at hiding it. And Hitomi's supposed to be really busy after school which can explain her absence when Sayaka's there as much as actively avoiding being there when Sayaka visits. As far as I can tell, most of Hitomi's transgressions are ones normal people might make for normal reasons, and she handled them better than most people her age. Most likely she was trying to logically handle an emotional labyrinth, which isn't the most likely to be successful, but as far as a middle schooler trying to figure out the right way to handle things, it's at least at the "meets standards for human decency" level.

It doesn't help that the whole plot point was handled rather poorly, of course.

What did Tomohisa do though :(

edited 15th Oct '12 4:19:32 PM by greedling

You will not go to space today.
I once saw some speculation that makes sense to me. After the Elly thing, Hitomi woke up in an abandoned warehouse, with amnesia, among a bunch of other random people. What if the fright of that experience motivated her to push for a resolution? Thinking that she could have died without ever confronting her true feelings?
Plausible. The wiki's estimate is that a week passed between that incident and Hitomi's ultimatum (though the specific timing of the ultimatum is probably because that's when Kyousuke returned) so she could have worked through her decision by then, and then waited/dithered nervously until it was plausible to put her plan into action. She didn't seem to know that there was a mass suicide attempt to go with the mass hallucination when she mentioned it to Madoka and Sayaka, but as the police made investigations, she surely would've been informed that there were two certain kinds of bottles present.

The scene around the beginning of the fifth episode shows that she's usually under pressure to pretend everything's normal—oh no, I couldn't let my parents think I'm sick after I had a bout of rather serious symptoms that could have led to my death!*—but if anything's going to give her a reason to stop holding back from seeking happiness because she wants to avoid straining a friendship, a near-death experience could work.
You will not go to space today.
 35275 L Dragon 2, Mon, 15th Oct '12 7:12:21 PM from Pandora Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ZOMG TEH REI!!!!
Come to think about the Code Geass comparison, I bet Urobuchi would have a field day if he ever wrote a story for Suzaku, as that character he everything he dislikes about heroes.
Proud fanboy of anime/video games/scifi. Oh and of Rei Ayanami XD
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