Chrono Trigger

Even if that is the explanation... it's really dumb. Because when we see her again Schala looks absolutely nothing like her CT self even though some other characters in CC do look like their previous selves. Her dress even looks nothing alike,

I'm curious was Cross always intended to be a sequel to Trigger? Because it initially being developed as a standalone but then turning into a sequel partway through development would explain a lot.

Pretty sure it was. A lot of the music and theming seen in Cross come from their interquel Radical Dreamers, which was even weirder than Cross in that it's a visual novel with RPG and combat elements set in yet another alternate reality, so the overall direction of this series is just strange if anything.

Trigger itself is atypical in a lot of ways, too.

It was intended to be a proper reimagining of Radical Dreamers.

So yeah, always supposed to be a Chrono game.

Masato Kato has gone on record saying multiple times he wasn't interested in making "Chrono Trigger 2" because he felt like it would be Square repeating themselves. In fact he specifically said that Cross isn't really meant to be a direct sequel to Trigger but another Chrono game with connections to it. Cross being so radically different in every way was a conscious decision, and it tying in only slightly to Trigger for most of the game also seems to be a conscious decision.

edited 18th Mar '18 9:25:32 AM by Draghinazzo

Yeah I never played RD But there's even that reference to it in Chronopolis. It's a canon alternate reality of Serge, Kid and Magus.

Fair enough, but did he have to maliciously murder the original cast at every opportunity?

Sure, it's probably been undone at the end of the game when Lavos is defeated (was it all undone?), but it's still a bit of a kick to the nuts for fans of the first game (of which there are many).

Lucca and Robo's deaths are definitely undone. I think the Fall of Guardia was too but I can't remember why I think that.

Radical Dreamers is... something.

The entire Viper Manor scenario in Chrono Cross was taken pretty much wholesale from RD, music, visuals, and all. It also has a bunch of other strange scenarios that Cross doesn't touch, like Kid's adoptive mother being a nun or Magus being a Sentai space cop chasing down Lynx, who is actually a giant intergalatic jellyfish blob monster thing.

A lot of things Chrono Cross treats as revelations Radical Dreamers also did first, like who Kidd really is and the fact that Radius betrayed someone close to him, so it not coming out in the west was actually probably for the best.

So I thought this would be cool to show: some fans are making a kind of musical about Chrono Trigger

It's pretty good, Crono also speaks in this one. The songs are being released out of order though!

Man, I forgot about how Trigger has the worst (in terms of "in-universe perspective") party switching system ever.

Sorry Lucca, I want you to spend all your time alone here in this void of nothingness with only a crazy old man and that magic thing to keep you company. We'll be be back for you eventually maybe. What, take you home and just pick you up from there? That's madness.

I dunno, that always made me laugh. Besides, how else are they going to get your distress call?

Oh and just hearing "You got whacked cuz you're weak" makes the End of Time worthwhile.

edited 20th Mar '18 12:58:58 AM by Watashiwa

Just build a second Gate key, Lucca.

Closing in on the end of my Holiday Challenge run, hopefully (since today's the last day). I just finished Death's Peak.

Technically, I could've tried to rush the final boss as soon as I picked up Magus, but I'm trying to clear some relevant sidequests to bolster my power. I'm gonna try to get the Rainbow Shell and Sun Stone quests (thereby getting the Sun/Rainbow Shades and Lucca's best weapon), and do Ozzie's Fortress before deciding whether I have time to do the Black Omen.

edit:

Well, that didn't pan out.

edited 21st Mar '18 5:37:50 PM by Enlong

So this is basically still the Chrono Everything thread right? Pretty sure I posted in here about my CC run forever ago.

Excited for the Chrono Cross Concert Tour Mitsuda will be doing come November.

Anybody got plans to do replays of Cross to celebrate the 20th anniversary? I'm getting ready to start one. Well, I kinda already did but I'm moving and a bunch of shit is going on so I'm not too focused on it at present.

I played through Chrono Cross once, but I was bored most of the way through. I just couldn't really get into it since the battle system and the haphazard story didn't really grip me much. I mean, it only got interesting towards the end when you entered Chronopolis and discovered stuff about Reptites, Lavos and things. But most of the game felt like a chore. Which is a shame, because Chrono Trigger was godly.

I thought that the early part was pretty neat, too, like when you're first getting caught up in the mystery of a land that's hauntingly familiar but where nobody knows who you are.

Oh, don't get me wrong, the first few hours were pretty neat and did sink their hooks into me, but somewhere along the way, the game sorta meandered and lost its focus. It only really got it back towards the end, but it was like a bit too little, too late.

So over my college years, I made several attempts to play through Chrono Trigger, since I was an avid HC Bailly fan, and he was always a huge fan of the game. Always failed in some way or another, usually just sort of forgetting and not playing anymore. Got pretty decently far in 2016, making it all the way to Zeal, only to forget again, but I finally sat down and played all the way through a few weeks ago, so now I can finally say I've finished the best JRPG.

So, I've been playing the mobile version of the game because it's the best RPG from my childhood and I was excited to see it available for phone.

And. I think I just realized something.

Crono's swordsman skills always bugged me. Like. Frog is one of the greatest swordsmen of his era, but Crono's also like right on par with him as soon as they meet. And that bothered me. Like, why is Crono such a great swordsman?

And it just clicked for me. Crono, some asshole with a katana, is equal to Frog because Crono comes from an age of privilege. All of the techniques and combat methods created for the War against Magus/The Fiendlord were passed down through generations. The best parts evolved, the bits that didn't work so well were shaved off.

"Some asshole with a sword" is the product of 400 years of using peacetime to hone and craft actual martial arts out of improvised combat methods. Crono is equal to the finest swordsman of 600 A.D. because he had the privilege to study an actual martial art under ideal conditions.

And this is reflected in their weapons. Frog uses a broadsword; a big sharp bludgeon for getting the job done. Crono, on the other hand, wields a katana; a finesse weapon for deft and skillful strokes.

Think Crono was gonna try join the army or something had the whole time travel thing not happened?

Maybe. It would make sense.

So, for Cross, I read about someone's experience that they didn't know Kid could be saved without going for the Hydra Humor, and am wondering if that counts as Guide Dang It! for the path to avoid driving a species extinct and stuff.

I'm pretty sure the reason is simply "he needs to be good with the weapon because he's the main character" but that's interesting as far as watsonian speculation goes.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 30th 2019 at 10:26:33 AM

It's not really Guide Dang It! because it's not like the method for getting that outcome is difficult or obscure; you just pick the other dialogue option. It's certainly a bit unsatisfying that your two options turn out to be "proactively go out to save her, which has tragic and uncomfortable consequences" or "she gets saved by happenstance without any action on your part", though.