Nothing "star-crossed" about them.: Starcrossed Lovers

There has to be something better.

I've never been clear on "starcrossed" myself.

Fight smart, not fair.

Why not a picture of Romeo and Juliet? They're the trope namer, and lots of people know the story.

Then again, what's a good picture of those two? The sixties movie poster?◊

Maybe a picture of the balcony scene? Or the end, when both are dead? This are the most recognizable scenes.

Is there some painting of Pyramus and Thisbe Separated by the Wall that we could use?

edited 1st Jan '11 5:14:02 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."

Mm...Romeo and Juliet are Trope Codifiers, that's true, but I think we should try to make it clear why. Is it because they both die? Is it because he's an idiot and she's naive? The fact that they can't be together is one of many things people remember them for.

What about an image of Altair and Vega? You might say they're the Most Triumphant Example of star-crossed...

I have no idea who those people are.

It's a pun, I think. Altair and Vega are stars. In some legends they are lovers. Sometimes they cross/meet.

Er, yeah, sorry. It's folk legend. The stars Vega and Altair have several myths tied to them. "The Cowherd and the Girl Weaver" is the most famous. Basically, they are people who were made into constellations and only once every seven years are they allowed to meet for one day (there's a festival to celebrate it in some countries). Otherwise they are separated by the Milky Way, gazing at each other in longing.

edited 1st Jan '11 10:43:50 PM by helterskelter

In Japan that celebration is called the Tanabata, celebrated on July 7th.

I don't think any image would work for this trope. Maybe a good quote, but I haven't seen an image that would define this well.

There comes a time when one must decide: should I set that on fire, or not?

Altair and Vega.◊ Another.◊ More of the pair.◊

Not sure how well any of these would define it but...it's something...

edited 28th Jan '11 12:59:47 AM by Aondeug

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah

Lets go with Altair and Vega

edited 28th Jan '11 6:40:23 PM by Sackett

edit: actually, nm, A&V are not the trope...  ^*

it is "They love each other, but the world is against them."

edited 29th Jan '11 5:57:55 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.

^ If we go by Rodney's take on this trope, then Keiichi and Belldandy might work. Keiichi is described as having been born under the starlight of a star that represents pure misfortune, and it isn't until he meets Belldandy that his luck starts to turn around. They fall in love with each other, but there's still quite a few obstacles of bad luck that get in their way.

Which requires knowing the plot, same as the current picture.

The thing is that this isn't really something that can be shown in just a picture. Plot related tropes rarely are.

Okay, I'm a bit defensive about the picture because I put it up (and can just make an image links page if it's changed), but at least I tried to go for a forlorn pose they had together.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.

It's not "my take", that is what the description says.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.

The idea behind Starcrossed Lovers is that two lovers want to be together, but for some reason cannot. Altair and Vega are definitely examples. Vega was a fairy and Altair was a human cowherd. She fell in love with him, got married, and the God of Heaven found out and demanded she return. The Queen of Heaven saw that Altair and their two children were following on celestial cattle, and with her hairpin formed a river between the two. They are reunited for one day, every seven years, on the seventh day of the seventh month. I'd still say that's starcrossed.

That seems like an argument that they make a good example, not that it would make a good page image.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.

Irrelevant. If they are an example and we can find a good page image, it counts. Technically any example on the page could make a good image, so long as someone drew it.

No, disagree, Page Images Should Explain The Trope. If it's just an example above the example line, "no image" would be better. Especially if the image depicts a literal interpretation (like a picture of anything involving actual stars...), which would be misleading.

I like the Separated by the Wall idea. Are there pictures of that, or other situations where it's clear the two can't be together? Wearing the uniforms of opposite sides in a war, or something.

edited 29th Jan '11 8:03:53 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.

...As I said, if the example is of the trope and we find a good page image, that I wasn't arguing for them being a good image is irrelevant. Did we mix wires, here?

I don't think so. No case was made that any of the suggested A&V images would make a good page image. It is not irrelevant to say "that's not an argument about whether it's a good page image". It might be relevant to discuss whether something is an example if the image illustrates the trope, but it doesn't, so arguing that it's an example is not helpful. I am talking about those images specifically, not some hypothetical image of them. Of course an illustrative image — any illustrative image — would be good.

edited 29th Jan '11 8:16:27 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.

1. You said Altair and Vega were not examples.
2. I argued they were.
3. You changed your stance, and for some reason asked me whether that was an argument whether they'd make a good page image.
4. I said that's irrelevant, because if we can find a good page image of the two, it's a good page image. One might think it's difficult to find a good image for any fiction example until we do find a good image.

In other words, you can't argue that Altair and Vega won't make a good page image until we scour the internet for every image there is of the two. Until we find one, yeah, presumably they could make a good image. I have no idea what you're trying to disagree with me about.

edited 29th Jan '11 9:01:12 PM by helterskelter

It is true that I said they aren't an example, and that I was wrong, apparently they are.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.