House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
I adore them both, but for different reasons.
The Living Daylights has one of the most complicated plots of any Bond film. Aside from the plot, it's fairly formula except that there's two Big Bads rather than one. The script is fairly weak, but it's an interesting film (that feels like a spy film, which most of the series don't), with General Pushkin proving that you don't need Golgov to have a cool Russian good guy in the film.
Licence To Kill is a revenge thriller, rather than a typical Bond film. Darker and Edgier, quite gruesome in places, but very enjoyable nonetheless as long as you're in the mood for something more serious and violent than the norm.
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I did decide to go with Licence to Kill. Some of the DVD releases are becoming harder to find, and for some reason Amazon's stock in that movie in particular is getting low. Once I've had a chance to see it, I really should post here and give my opinion.
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My dad got me Skyfall yesterday! :D :D
I am expressing multiple attitudes simultaneously. To which are you referring?
Well, Licence To Kill is on the way, but in the meantime my local used game and movie shop was having a buy 2 get 1 free deal on Bond movies in honor of Skyfall, so now I have The Living Daylights, Quantum of Solace, and A View To A Kill. (Yeah, the other two aren't the best or anything, but I haven't seen them in a while.)
And what do you know, I ended up getting Licence today after all. Man, I guess I'm back to making that original decision of which one I want to see first. Not a bad problem to have, but still.
edited 16th Feb '13 3:47:35 PM by CombatC122
Post your thoughts on The Living Daylights when you've watched it; I've never seen it and want to know if it's worth renting.
Just finished it. That was just a good, straightforward Bond movie right there, although I would agree the plot was fairly mundane. It was also a little strange to see the guy who played Jack Wade in Goldeneye as the villain. Still, that was certainly enjoyable enough and well worth checking out. I still have Licence to get through, but Timothy Dalton deserved more credit than he originally got for playing Bond.
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Yeah, I like Dalton. The only problem I have with his performance is that he has a habit of sounding incredibly sinister at times.
I also like Daylights because I think it's one of the best displays of Bond's morality.
The last hurrah? Nah, I'd do it again.
Yeah, I got that sinister sense at a couple of points in that movie as well. Still, it's not like Dalton didn't have a few lighter moments in Daylights as well. Not campy, ridiculous lighter moments like in some of the Roger Moore movies, but it certainly wasn't all dead serious all the time either. Granted, I have yet to see Licence to Kill, which I understand might be the darkest movie in the whole series.
Also, I don't necessarily mean to give the sense that I completely hate all the campy moments either. Roger Moore still is enjoyable to me even with all the patently ridiculous stuff that sometimes happens around him, and I'd even consider myself a fan of some of the crazier movies, like Moonraker. I just find it easier to invest myself in the series and enjoy it a little more when it's at least attempting to take itself seriously.
...Hm, with the recent release of Skyfall and the ones I got today, I just realized I now own all but four of the Bond movies: Thunderball, Diamonds Are Forever, The Spy Who Loved Me, and The World Is Not Enough (all of which I have seen at one point or another; in fact the only one I haven't now is Licence To Kill). I also own Goldeneye twice, once on DVD and once on Blu-Ray, but that's okay since it's kind of my sentimental favorite.
edited 16th Feb '13 8:05:42 PM by CombatC122
Would that it were so simple.
You should really get The Spy Who Loved Me and Thunderball. Diamonds Are Forever is shit; worth seeing to say you did, but not much else.
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"In distress", my ass.
Wait, couldn't you say that you've already seen Thunderball, as you've apparently seen Never Say Never Again? 
(Yes, yes, I know...)
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Oh, I've definitely seen all four of the movies I don't own (although it's been a while for Diamonds Are Forever and The World Is Not Enough). Diamonds might be the worst Connery movie, but I'll still probably track it down to own eventually just for completion's sake.
So I'm watching this month long James Bond marathon and I think I've seen enough to say that the Roger Moore era is the worst. Pretty much all of them are stupid or boring.
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Not so. A View to a Kill had Grace Jones. And I will probably go to my grave at some point thinking that a/ she was and is hot and b/ that she was really good in that film.
On Dalton being sinister? Well, wasn't that the point of his characterization as Bond in his films? Since Bond didn't end up that emotionally traumatized again until the one with the invisible Aston Martin (of which we do not speak), and he ended up being really, really pissed off and cold because of that.
A View to a Kill and Octopussy are the only ones I sort of liked and they're just average. The other three I've seen are all terrible.
Even though Roger Moore is on the lower end of my list of favorite Bonds, I wouldn't say that I dislike him (or any of the actors who played Bond for that matter). He still has some great moments, and let's face it, if you ignore him you're missing out on a pretty big portion of the franchise.
That said, I wish at least one or two more of his movies were at least semi-serious, like The Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only. I kind of like the whole "lighthearted playboy being a front for a coldblooded killer" angle.
edited 17th Feb '13 10:50:32 AM by CombatC122
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
The Spy Who Loved Me is easily the best Moore film.
Interestingly Kostya, those two are considered the worst of the era (aside from The Man With The Golden Gun - which still managed to be a hell of a lot better than the book, in which Bond manages to save the world sugar cane market from collapse). What are the others you've seen? The three you didn't like?
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I actually liked The Man With The Golden Gun, mostly because Christopher Lee is awesome.
Would that it were so simple.
Kostya, you hate Roger Moore yet like A View to a Kill? Something doesn't add up.
Grace Jones is in "A View to a Kill" and she was very popular in the eighties.
Of the Roger Moore films, I like The Man With The Golden Gun (largely because of Christopher Lee), The Spy Who Loved Me, and For Your Eyes Only. The thing with the Roger Moore films isn't that they're invariably bad, it's that he had a longer run than anyone else so he has more bad films overall (or at least, more films that are broadly agreed to be bad - I prefer the Moore films, with the exception of Live And Let Die, to the Connery ones for the reasons I mentioned earlier) than the other actors.
edited 17th Feb '13 1:28:01 PM by WarriorEowyn
Would that it were so simple.
Octopussy is more So Okay, It's Average. It has really serious moments punctuated by very silly moments. I mean, that out-of-context photo of Roger Moore in a clown suit is from a scene in which a nuke is a few seconds from going off and the American guards are trying to arrest Bond. You wouldn't know it from the photo.
edited 17th Feb '13 1:29:53 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Live and Let Die, Moonraker, and The Man with the Golden Gun are the movies I hated. I don't know why but I thought A View to a Kill and Octopussy were at least okay but they certainly aren't as good as the best Bond films.
Yeah, I sort of think the problems with Roger Moore's films have less to do with Moore himself and more to do with the sillier aspects being stretched a bit too far. It's one thing when you've got an enjoyably over-the-top villain and a plot that stretches suspension of disbelief just enough, but quite another when the girls are little more than useless damsels in distress there to look pretty and some of the action scenes feel like they were taken from Wil-E-Coyote cartoons.
edited 17th Feb '13 2:09:21 PM by CombatC122
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I will say that Licence does seem to be the Dalton film that I hear more about. I keep reading that it's the one that feels the least like a James Bond movie, but then I suppose it boils down to whether I want something a little different or not. And considering I've seen enough of these movies to be pretty familiar with the formula, maybe that's the way I want to go. If I end up enjoying Dalton enough, perhaps I'll check out The Living Daylights too.
...Also, Amazon lists only three copies of Licence to Kill in stock on DVD, while there's no such limitation on The Living Daylights. Guess I'll take that for what it's worth.
edited 13th Feb '13 11:39:17 PM by CombatC122